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Asmodean Senior Member Finland 1372 Posts	Posted - 10/03/2001 : 06:27:53 Poison goes thru Magic Shield. Magic Shield isn't good in PvP if it's Tao vs Wiz, since it doesn't last long enough. This is from personal experience in Sabuk Wall Conquest. Have that nice bag of grey poison with you, so you can give that lvl31+ wiz a surprise when he/she thinks that the mob you're slowly killing is his/hers pet-to-be and starts giving you hard time. Nae'Blis The Chosen as usual
Darko2 Junior Member 149 Posts	Posted - 10/03/2001 : 09:59:39 OK, let's repeat this again: "Shinsu mob will be tough, not a Shinsu pet" . There.... now I think we all know that. Funny thing is that Shinsu mob will become a pet sooner or later... but not a Tao pet - it will follow a wizard's will........... My suggestion (before Kristel becomes a mod): Group and kill a GM, let's see what they have to say about it... RentAHeal
Asmodean Senior Member Finland 1372 Posts	Posted - 10/03/2001 : 10:16:47 Where is this (mis-)concept of a Shinsu mob coming from? I want links. The GM chatlogs @ Mir Tavern speak of no such thing. Nae'Blis The Chosen as usual
Darko2 Junior Member 149 Posts	Posted - 10/03/2001 : 11:07:57 Well, that's what you get when they don't want to announce anything officially... I think I read in one of those logs that Shinsu (a mob, not a current Tao pet) will be resistant to all melee attacks, so you can kill it only with magic attacks. I don't know where, and when, so, it's left for GMs to clear it up. So far, after 20 pages of very civilazed discussion, not even one GM bothered to reply... Maybe they made Tricky a GM, so they can say "You are lying, Tricky posted in that thread"? RentAHeal
Asmodean Senior Member Finland 1372 Posts	Posted - 10/03/2001 : 11:28:48 That would be devious of them, to make Tricky GM just so they can say "Tricky posted in there" - But I have uncovered their mistake! Tricky is still a moderator only in forums! Maybe I'll dig up that one Shinsu topic I wrote to, explaining why I don't believe at all in the summonable Shinsu staying such a crappy thing. Nae'Blis The Chosen as usual
Asmodean Senior Member Finland 1372 Posts	Posted - 10/03/2001 : 11:45:27 Okay, here's the thread about Shinsu: http://www.livewiregames.net/forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=22456 Nae'Blis The Chosen as usual
LStell01 New Member United Kingdom 69 Posts	Posted - 10/03/2001 : 14:03:18 Having read that post, I think that what they mean is that shinsu has a very high AC, so it is much more difficult to kill with DC attacks. What I find confusing is the fact that they said it loses 25% of it's health killing a zombie (even if it is at lvl0 and doing it solo). Do they mean a lightning zombie, or would one of those beat it hands down? Did you ever think how much deeper the ocean would be if it weren't for sponges?
Asmodean Senior Member Finland 1372 Posts	Posted - 10/03/2001 : 14:50:14 Haven't thought of that... If DD meant a normal zombie, an e-zombie would kill it. 2 e-zombies got my lvl7 skele down to 50% health... Brings another thing to mind... Why can't skele keep attacking one mob at a time? I find it very frustrating when it's in the middle of 5 or so mobs and after every hit it switches target. I've to keep healing it all the time, since it takes so long to kill one mob. Nae'Blis The Chosen as usual
LichBane Junior Member United Kingdom 203 Posts	Posted - 10/03/2001 : 17:29:09 We need some sort of AI scripting for pets to be able to dictate their attack patterns. I don't want the skellie to always stand behind me when not attacking, next to me would be best. Also, when attacking only 1 or 2 mobs I want skellie and me to be on opposite sides. I can only do this by letting hiom get stuck in and then me getting behind mobs which lets us take hits. Back to earlier stuff, as I now have my Tao at lvl 19, I have summon skellie. I was expecting something much weaker when I got it. The BoneFamiliar is great for me at my lvl. It cost me less than 30k to lvl the skill up to 1 and now he rocks in the mines! Takes 10 mins to lvl boney up to 3 and then me and it kick zombie butt. << This IS just a game, so keep your cool and have fun >>
Intya Junior Member United Kingdom 281 Posts	Posted - 10/03/2001 : 18:10:54 UK taoists? your attention please the skelly is often referred to as "Boney"... so here's something you might find amusing (well i did) locate the sound files in mir that relate to the sounds that involve the skelly... then replace them with voicefiles of Boni from Trapdoor!!!!!!!! trust me its bloody funny (either that or im a very sad individual) "Watch me dance!!"Mafia Pimp Usually found nekkid & streaking
Kristel Junior Member United Kingdom 498 Posts	Posted - 10/03/2001 : 19:38:01 Hehe Boney is the Name of my Skelly :) Named after said Skull Other names I've come across are Nappy and M. We love our pets ----------------------- Kristel clear! Topic summery on page 17 folks :) hehe Edited by - Kristel on 10/03/2001 19:38:37
scytale New Member Germany 70 Posts	Posted - 10/03/2001 : 21:38:20 quote: Brings another thing to mind... Why can't skele keep attacking one mob at a time? I find it very frustrating when it's in the middle of 5 or so mobs and after every hit it switches target. I've to keep healing it all the time, since it takes so long to kill one mob. I think we all have realised fairly quickly just how bad the monster AI is. How many times have you seen Axe skeletons wandering all over the place before attacking. All they really understand is: see target kill. You can trap them behind walls, confuse them by standing on the other side of an obstacle etc. My conclusion is, after looking at the monster AI I am not expecting anything from Boney. Hell if he attacks things I will be happy. This is another point where we seriously lose out to mages. With multiple pets at least one pet is likely to get into the action and then hopefully agro the others. It tends to be, from what I have seen, that once one has locked on the others do also. Q: Anyone have any clue as to the rational as to why we cant shinsu and Boney together? scytale.
Asmodean Senior Member Finland 1372 Posts	Posted - 10/04/2001 : 06:21:06 A: WHEN the Shinsu is finalized, it'd make taos too powerful with if we could have both. With the current shinsu, skele looks to be better. I'm eagerly waiting to see how much better shinsu is made. Nae'Blis The Chosen as usual
Asmodean Senior Member Finland 1372 Posts	Posted - 10/04/2001 : 06:31:18 One other thing about our skills bothers me: Gathering poison ingredients. I prefer sticking to Mongchon, since there's not much point in hunting anywhere else. If I want to use poison, I have to back to Bichon, to the newbie hunting grounds. I could gather ingredients for grey poison in Serpent Valley, except cannibal plants and spiders are much more rare there. I end up killing couple of hundred omas, yetis, cats, scarecrows - reducing the amount of mobs newbies kill. Some of those newbies are future customers and if they have nothing better to do than pickup the pots, cash & various items I tend not to pick up, they're not going to p2p. Please put the poison bags in shops, or atleast make the shopkeepers have 10x more ingredients. Nae'Blis The Chosen as usual
Darko2 Junior Member 149 Posts	Posted - 10/04/2001 : 06:37:36 Well, here's another aspect of the same thing: I reactivated my old (lvl 8, heh) warrior, and started making poisons. Nice experience, nice money, you get 1000gp for a medium one. I tried selling them at 2000 (and 1000 for small ones), which is the price for a medium poison if you are lucky to find it in the shop. No one cared. I tried 3 for 5k... same. Well, I kept selling them to the shop. I tried to let people know that it's the best way to make money at lower levels, but they didn't care either. So, I don't know, maybe education is the answer, but, as Asmodean said, we are rarely in Bichon. RentAHeal
GM HobeR MIR Internal Staff Italy 3545 Posts	Posted - 10/04/2001 : 12:08:37 Mapo already reported all the thing to the Korean coders, I'm sure that we'll see some results in one of the next patches, but not so soon, 'cause, as I wrote elsewhere, they already have a full plan of the next steps. -- Community Ruler of GameOnLine.it * Have no fear!!! Your hero is here!!!*
Asmodean Senior Member Finland 1372 Posts	Posted - 10/04/2001 : 12:27:32 A genuine LOM Staff GM reply! Thanks for letting us know this, Hober. I for one appreciate it and I'm sure 90%+ people who've replied to this thread do too. All it took was 20 pages Also, a BIG THANK YOU to Kristel for starting and maintaining this thread! I hope this thread doesn't die Nae'Blis The Chosen as usual
GM HobeR MIR Internal Staff Italy 3545 Posts	Posted - 10/04/2001 : 12:54:53 Let me tell you that it took a while read all the thread -- Community Ruler of GameOnLine.it * Have no fear!!! Your hero is here!!!*
Aligatoras New Member Greece 65 Posts	Posted - 10/04/2001 : 13:07:43 quote: Let me tell you that it took a while read all the thread -- Community Ruler of GameOnLine.it * Have no fear!!! Your hero is here!!!* Well it took you too much time to reply at this topic but ...ohhh well at least you have read it and reply. But that was too late for me. I m lvl25 for couple weeks now and i have stopped playing my Tao and of course the game. I logon couple times per week cause i dont have anythink else to do. I m waiting for the patch and if i dont see anythink better there i ll give you "free" the rest of my 2 months subscpition.... meaning i ll stop forever this game and i dont want anythink from you back. Somewhere i have read fro Tricky that beta test was about stability of Servers/Net and not that much for Balancing game. Well it should stay at Beta then or you could give Taos a bit kore power like others Classes already have. Thanks for your time and was nice to meet you all. Some ppl were better than others but we all were a good "company" (MIR isnt good Company) P.S After patch i ll give my account to my closest friend for free, cause i dont think thinks will be better. Cya somewhere else look for "Aligatoras" i might be there. I'm too old for this
GM HobeR MIR Internal Staff Italy 3545 Posts	Posted - 10/04/2001 : 14:40:27 Bye bye -- Community Ruler of GameOnLine.it * Have no fear!!! Your hero is here!!!*
scytale New Member Germany 70 Posts	Posted - 10/04/2001 : 16:14:30 quote: Let me tell you that it took a while read all the thread And I did a summary of page 17 But thanks for replying quote: But that was too late for me. I m lvl25 for couple weeks now and i have stopped playing my Tao and of course the game. I logon couple times per week cause i dont have anythink else to do. I think this could be the result. In an industry where people will jump to and from games in an instant, not addressing these problems quickly could see a departure of many people. Maybe not in the short term but certainly in the long term. If they are looking at the �ther side of Christmas to fixing these problems because the short term is planned then this, to me, is economic suicide. quote: If I want to use poison, I have to back to Bichon, to the newbie hunting grounds. I could gather ingredients for grey poison in Serpent Valley, except cannibal plants and spiders are much more rare there. I think we have said it before, Tao's are "challenging". I agree, I remember playing as a n00b leaving plants and spiders as I had no idea why to bother. There didn't seem any point to collecting. The point where you need them, you have moved out of the areas. Suggestion: Takes plants out of the n00b areas (sorry n00b/Tao areas) and make them harder, more xp and leave them hard-nut areas. Hell at least then we will feel justified going after them. scytale.
GM HobeR MIR Internal Staff Italy 3545 Posts	Posted - 10/04/2001 : 16:27:39 quote: And I did a summary of page 17 But thanks for replying I noticed too late quote: think we have said it before, Tao's are "challenging". I agree, I remember playing as a n00b leaving plants and spiders as I had no idea why to bother. There didn't seem any point to collecting. The point where you need them, you have moved out of the areas. Suggestion: Takes plants out of the n00b areas (sorry n00b/Tao areas) and make them harder, more xp and leave them hard-nut areas. Hell at least then we will feel justified going after them. Yes, but you can buy those ingredients too... Anyway, we stored the suggestion -- Community Ruler of GameOnLine.it * Have no fear!!! Your hero is here!!!*
Mercz Moderator USA 991 Posts	Posted - 10/04/2001 : 17:40:08 Yay! Thanks for replying, GM Hober! I really appreciate it
damuzza Junior Member United Kingdom 222 Posts	Posted - 10/04/2001 : 18:40:54 Thnks for replying Hober. Anychance of a Tao forum where this can be copied and pasted to as it has evolved beyond a thread But thanks for replying am sure Kristel will appreciate it, havent seen her in here for a few days, has anyone "life is Just a game" "Death is only the Beginning"
js7 Junior Member 177 Posts	Posted - 10/04/2001 : 19:31:35 Hi all, Kris posted last night about skeles and their names (nappy is named after Napoleon Bonepart, M after Boney M), so I guess may be back tonight... I am sure when she does log in she'll be delighted to see some posts from GMs in here! Thanks alot Hober!
Kristel Junior Member United Kingdom 498 Posts	Posted - 10/04/2001 : 23:24:13 GM Hober - Thank you so much for taking the time to look through our post here. It really does mean a great deal to me. I am so excited that a GM finally replied! I sort of feel like the purpose of this post has been fulfilled now. Shall we put this one to bed now folks and start a fresh? Sorry to my friends in Mir world, I haven't had a great deal of time to be on these past few days with uni starting again, but things are settling down now, so I hope to see you all online in the near future! Goodnight all! ----------------------- Kristel clear! Topic summery on page 17 folks :) hehe
js7 Junior Member 177 Posts	Posted - 10/05/2001 : 12:08:04 Close this thread??? Never!!! Seriously, I think we are all agreed that we should wait and see what the patch brings as we are working on limited information, so perhaps let this topic 'go to the big forum in the sky' and start a new post-patch thread! Of course, it has to be started by Kristel to be a proper Tao thread, and I'd hate for the ideas, thoughts, comments, suggestions, jokes and stories in here to be lost. Kris... why not post the page 17 summary by Scytale as the start of the new one? Oh... and by the way... I got 25 Jupitus Taoist of no fixed abode
Cosmic Starting Member United Kingdom 5 Posts	Posted - 10/05/2001 : 17:46:56 Yeah, the amulet sucks! I REALLY hate having to equip them, taking up valuable acessory enhancement opportunities! Not only are they costing us gold, but also strength! We could be wearing some DC improving bracelet/glove which would give us a bit more strength like the warrior. The amulet is basically limiting our performance (we either use items to increase our stats, or we use the taoist magic).They should just be gotten rid of. DOWN WITH AMULETS! I also agree that summon skeleton could be better. We may be able to sumon them instantly, but little good it does us! They are so weak its practically a waste of time healing them, when it costs little more to summon another when one dies. (I especially feel it is a waste of time because my internet cuts me off before i can train up a skeleton enough for it to be truly useful) You should be able to put a skele in your inventory or something when you log out, or for me training it will always be a waste of time). Oh well, im glad im not the only one that hates the taoists limitations. It is an original character type, but its features definitely need "tweaking" in order to make this class parallel in fairness to the other classes, since even with the rather cool spells we get, it takes ages to kill anything and get experience. Cosmic, LV22 Taoist, The Holy Gods - Astral phantom Clones are people two
Godfather Junior Member United Kingdom 137 Posts	Posted - 10/06/2001 : 09:56:12 has any1 ever lost a skele using a town tele?? i was walking in the woods with ''big dave'' my lvl7 skele and thought i would pop into BW i teled in and pressed control A arhhhhh it had gone. But dont worry must of been just me. once and for all, all warrior posts here ''whats the best way to kill a mob'' hmmm how about hitting it.....and thats about it kristel m8 u get nuff respect from the players and staff Godfather Mafia Guild leader Edited by - godfather on 10/06/2001 09:57:41
Delusion Starting Member United Kingdom 39 Posts	Posted - 10/06/2001 : 11:32:25 First up i'd like to say this thread has been one of the most enjoyable reads ive found on the forum, congratulations to all who have posted, added their comments and basically kept it going. I have to agree with pretty much everything i've read, and im glad that other people feel the same way as i do about taoists. My only pet peeve with the taoist is as many of you have pointed out, the distinct bias against taoists in the form of accessory space. Ok, we have to fork out a substansial amount of cash for amulets to use our skills, i can accept that, but at the sake of loosing a bracelet? I think this a little unfair. Unrealistic too, how large are these amulets and bags of poison? Ok, i havent got arms like an oranutang or anything but id like to believe i could if i chose to wear more than just a watch or bangle on my arm. Why then is my character put at the disadvantage then in that in order to use my hard earned skills, i have to forgoe the right to a little extra ac/dc or whatever? Whilst the costs, and needs of casting our spells may not change, might i also suggest a little more balancing for you. Ok i refer as usual to that hallowed tome, the ad&d manual, which most other rpg's tend to veiw as a kind of bible. And yes i am sad enough to have a copy. One issue it brings up with regards to spells is this. Wizards cast spells, just like taoists. But wizards in AD&D ALSO NEED MATERIAL COMPONENTS FOR SPELLS. Whilst i prefer not to pick on any other class, id like to see how a wizard feels if for instance he needed to go hunt half a million plants and assorted mobs just to try out a spell, or fill up his bag with his miscelaneous aracane pariphenalia in order to get ready for a raid somewhere. They want fireball? great, i just hope they remembered to go hunt the magical tree of "Matches" or remembered to visit the local candle shop for a couple of zippos before they hit the dungeon. Also, bone familiars. Different coloured names. Nice. Sdly i cant tell the difference in colour between a lvl 3 skellie and a lvl 5 one due to some eye problems i have. Other players seem to be unable to differenciate him from a normal skellie and so have killed him as such. So in refernece to an earlier post, plz plz plz, let them change slightly as they lvl up, or give us a lvl counter for them. Also, as im blighted by lag and disconnection recently (my isp has the Nimda virus) is there any way you can stop the decrease in EXP on a skeleton? even if its only a reduction of exp over time or something itd help. And on a final note on skellies, is there any chance i could give him a better weapon? Sure hes nasty with his axe, but id love to see how much more dangerous he could be with a purifier in his hand. Still enough of my pet peeves, i hope ive helped keep this thread alive a little longer, now ive found it, im going to keep reading it, as its becoming a bit of a legend tself See you all in the game, good luck to you all and good hunting. TTFN Delusion Stealing ideas from one person is plagiarism, stealing from many is research.