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Duckbill Junior Member United Kingdom 347 Posts	Posted - 11/20/2001 : 04:56:54 It is true, every guild leader has the following problems 1. Can't level up as fast as the others did 2. Need to get new members (for guild hunts) 3. Update guild notice board 4. Update guild member list (Ranking) 5. Setup guild hunts 6. Set guild rule (which no one ever obey) 7. Selecting people that don't make trouble and boot the rest 8. Get complaint of no HUNT, get PKed, and DROP being stolen. 9. Making sure everyone is happy. 10. Ally with other guild 11. Settle problems between guilds 12. Who's getting what items (after hunt) 13. where the money goes (after hunt) 14. Sigh... Why did I bother having a guild in the first place... Duckbill - Leader of NIGHTMARE
sadow Junior Member USA 218 Posts	Posted - 11/20/2001 : 14:16:19 yes i made a guild it really really bad. 2 Leader fighting each orther end up selling that guild sadow die danmit die
boggy Senior Member United Kingdom 1450 Posts	Posted - 11/20/2001 : 14:51:34 1) True, you do level up a bit slower, but that doesnt bother me too much 2) Recruting can be a problem, but i find asking people you deem suitable iis more efficient than shouting for new members 3) Updating the Notice board can be a little risky, like when u need to add something when ure in BC, and then a load of mobs come at yoou, and your sortof stuck. I generaly Find a nice safe place, and do it there. Its best if you have it tidy, because then to change it takes a lot less effort. 4) Ranking can be a problem, But it depends upon how our guild rank system is set up. 5) Guild hunts are not too bad to organise. You can have set Time hunts, such as every Saturday is a fixed hunt at ZT, meeting at set place and time. Another way is to ask people where they would like to hunt todday, and then tell everyone, see if they can make it, then if enough can make it, its sorted. 6) Guild rules are best obeyed by the better people, so if your guild is full of nice people, who listen to you, its fine. Also setting fines for disobedience may work. I dont realy find that as too muich problem because everyone in the guild is friendly, respectable and nice. 7) The problem you seem to have is recruting the wrong sort of people, i dont think we have had to boot anyone before, because we dont have the troublemakingsort. 8) If someone says they want a hunt, ask them when and where, see if everyone else is game, then hunt on. If they get pked, get the name of the pker, and check it was unprovoked. Then msg the pker, find out why, and you should normaly get an apolagy. Drop stealers also get that sort of punihment, and they normaly give the stuuff back. 9) If you have the guild running right, the majority of your people will be happy. 10) Aliances Should not be sort after, but come naturaly, when ppl in the guild know other ppl in other guild, and they are m8s, and u talk o the leader, and see if youcan sort anything out. 11) If you have ppl who dont make trouble, you shoulnd get trouble with other guilds 12) Items after hunts should be evenly shared out, or better yet, sorted when they occur, say if someone needs it, they are allowed it. 13) money is easy, take turns to grab it [Boggy] [Dark Kight] [Guild Leader] Beware the latest mid-level boss - {Boggytaurus} Oracle of Mir Forums Moderator http://www.xsorbit.com/users/Frozen_Fox/
sadow Junior Member USA 218 Posts	Posted - 11/20/2001 : 15:07:45 that a long list u got there :D sadow die danmit die
Baggins Average Member United Kingdom 563 Posts	Posted - 11/20/2001 : 15:12:48 i understand what you mean i am leader of a guild that is still unofficial so i have a real problem of trying to get enougth member to get the horn and money as well as keeping everyone happy. And its true i happen to be the lowest lvl in my guild luckly for me its not survival of the fittest. I would say i do most of the orgonizing in the guild but i also have a great second in command who is very helpful and gives me the chance to rest when i need it my my high council is great my most trusted friends in mir always giving me advice on what to do next. You see being a guild leader can be hard but if you take the time to choose your second in command and high council carefully and become good friends with them you get to enjoy the position more.
boggy Senior Member United Kingdom 1450 Posts	Posted - 11/20/2001 : 15:17:32 i know just about everyone in the guild, and get on quite well with them. i think that is the key, do not seperate yourself from everyone. we all have a laugh, and everyone gets on well. if your guild lacks friendly members, its doomed. [Boggy] [Dark Kight] [Guild Leader] Beware the latest mid-level boss - {Boggytaurus} Oracle of Mir Forums Moderator http://www.xsorbit.com/users/Frozen_Fox/
Dazfish Junior Member United Kingdom 446 Posts	Posted - 11/20/2001 : 15:43:07 i just dont understand why ppl try to create guilds when they have no apparent leadership ability whatsoever, you should only attempt to start a guild if you have either run a guild/clan/group in some other online game or if you have held a high position in another guild before. Peeps with no idea what they are doing that just create a guild and start yelling left right and center across bw 'RECRUITING FOR NEW GUILD - GOOD MEMBERS ONLY - FREE' its just stupid as if any self-respecting lev 12+ would consider joining them lol My advice: Wait, be patient, get experience then try solo. I consider myself perfectly capable of running a guild myself as i have run clans myself and held a very high position in the largest clan in the whole of in earth 2025 but i admit that i cant do it now because i am too busy with rl atm, so what do i do? i dont touch anything to do with running or taking part with the running of a guild. Some peeps just cant help themselves. So stoppit! thefishisback 17.5 Mage - ChaosArmy (Fishi Wiz) WangHangLow 9.5 Warrior - Guildless
boggy Senior Member United Kingdom 1450 Posts	Posted - 11/20/2001 : 15:58:16 to be a good guild leader, you must be a god guild member first. no use sudenly deciding, hum, i think i will have a guild now... get experience of guild life, see how it works, see how ppl behave, and whats expected also though, do not abuse the power, as that is not how a good leader should act. [Boggy] [Dark Kight] [Guild Leader] Beware the latest mid-level boss - {Boggytaurus} Oracle of Mir Forums Moderator http://www.xsorbit.com/users/Frozen_Fox/
andywill Starting Member United Kingdom 11 Posts	Posted - 11/20/2001 : 19:40:45 Boggy and Baggins. That was some sound advice you both gave their and I appreciate it. I am looking to start my own guild but unfortunately have to buy the horn since I am solo. I have a couple of good playing partners who get on well and members of other guilds i have befriended. I would never make them part og the guild unless they really wanted to join me, and so leave them to their guilds for now. The only problem is, no-one seems to have the bloody horn anymore to sell, lol. Anyway thanks for the stuff you wrote it will help me with ideas and make me a better leader. Tagred lvl 28 Warrior (guildless for now)
Baggins Average Member United Kingdom 563 Posts	Posted - 11/20/2001 : 19:46:09 well i have never been i a guild before and i seem to be doing ok.
rasta Average Member USA 559 Posts	Posted - 11/20/2001 : 19:59:29 Tagred - u r one of the original players in TheSyndicates` HoS (Hug on Sight) list, for what reasons I can`t recall until I log-in again. Basically, if u see a TS member whilst u r working for the WT horn, I have no doubt they will be glad to help u. Rastalovich - So very tired.... -=.=.=.=.=.=.=.=.=.=.=.=.=.=.=.=.=.=.=.=.=.=.=.=.=.=.=.=- If something is yours by right, then fight for it... or shut up ! -=.=.=.=.=.=.=.=.=.=.=.=.=.=.=.=.=.=.=.=.=.=.=.=.=.=.=.=-
boggy Senior Member United Kingdom 1450 Posts	Posted - 11/20/2001 : 20:59:10 andy, i would advise you to getinto a guild for atleast a fortnight before even thinking if leadership would suit you. If ya cant find one which will let ya join, give us a call, and i'll see what i can do [Boggy] [Dark Kight] [Guild Leader] Beware the latest mid-level boss - {Boggytaurus} Oracle of Mir Forums Moderator http://www.xsorbit.com/users/Frozen_Fox/
boggy Senior Member United Kingdom 1450 Posts	Posted - 11/20/2001 : 21:03:46 one last thing, make sure you dont end up having a guild full of pkers and the like. get to know everyone in your guild, that friendship makes the guild strong, for it is trust which u will come to rely on i can safely say, i can trust everyone in the guild, and that is something which you should try to achive [Boggy] [Dark Kight] [Guild Leader] Beware the latest mid-level boss - {Boggytaurus} Oracle of Mir Forums Moderator http://www.xsorbit.com/users/Frozen_Fox/ Edited by - boggy on 11/20/2001 21:06:07
MBMALEY28 Junior Member United Kingdom 471 Posts	Posted - 11/21/2001 : 08:24:40 Hi Most of the problems happen when your un-offical and thats had i can't imagine whats its like to be offical! From your m8 Michael28 The leader of DBZ Mania Check our are site http://dbz_mania0.tripod.com/dbzmania/
Baggins Average Member United Kingdom 563 Posts	Posted - 11/21/2001 : 11:45:43 One way you know if you are a good guild leader is if in your actions you gain the respect of your members and the people around. With out respect you know you are doing a bad job at leading.
Baggins Average Member United Kingdom 563 Posts	Posted - 11/21/2001 : 12:27:40 Another word of advice if you have a guild then get a forum on the internet this will make it a hundred times easier to orgonise every thing. You can get a free forum at: www.xsorbit.com I highly recommend this site i even think it makes better sites then this mir forum. Organisation is the key to running a guild.
GandalfUK Junior Member United Kingdom 352 Posts	Posted - 11/21/2001 : 14:10:15 quote: Another word of advice if you have a guild then get a forum on the internet this will make it a hundred times easier to orgonise every thing. You can get a free forum at: www.xsorbit.com I highly recommend this site i even think it makes better sites then this mir forum. Organisation is the key to running a guild. Thanks for the tip I have now created a forum for my guild on Phoenix http://www.xsorbit.com/users2/HitMAN/index.cgi HitMAN GuildLeader ShadowMasters(~Phoenix~) http://shadowmastersmir.tripod.com
Baggins Average Member United Kingdom 563 Posts	Posted - 11/21/2001 : 14:34:35 Any time mate. you know this has been one of the most refreshing topics i have replyed to. We are actually giving our views about some thing in mir and it is not a complaint. Just like the good old days.
GandalfUK Junior Member United Kingdom 352 Posts	Posted - 11/21/2001 : 15:11:58 One question I have, do other Guild leaders get bombarded with private messages as soon as they logon. I find it quite hard to keep track of all the private messages (I also feel guilty if I miss one) I have tried to ask members to use the Guild Chat but they alway seams to want to chat one-on-one ALL the time. Your views / comments would we welcomed.. HitMAN GuildLeader ShadowMasters(~Phoenix~) http://shadowmastersmir.tripod.com
boggy Senior Member United Kingdom 1450 Posts	Posted - 11/21/2001 : 15:21:03 tell them to msg u in guild chat, because then ppl will be able to see ure busy also, i think its best if u try to be on most of the time, as then you get more time to do things [Boggy] [Dark Kight] [Guild Leader] Beware the latest mid-level boss - {Boggytaurus} Oracle of Mir Forums Moderator http://www.xsorbit.com/users/Frozen_Fox/
Duckbill Junior Member United Kingdom 347 Posts	Posted - 11/21/2001 : 21:58:14 Every time I say hi to the guild, or logon, I get about 20 msg in one go, so I hope u understand that it is not just normal guild stuff. Most of us put rejuect whisper on, but this is a really big mistake, as ppl will thinks that u care nothing but yourself, so.... Anyway, being a guild leader is not an easy task, u need to have a way to do things, not just saying "oh! let's go pk this guy". Always think about a couple step ahead, as many of the people in the game only enjoy the fun and forgeting what's ahead. U got to know the game well, got to know all the tricks and stuff. It will be handy when someone come up and ask u questions. Guild is fun, but... Good Luck Duckbill - Leader of NIGHTMARE P.S. Top tip - don't make the same mistake as the other guild did.
bigman lall Junior Member 110 Posts	Posted - 11/22/2001 : 04:04:05 i still look forward to the day of my first hunt (when freddy is a high enough lvl) nearly 18 so hopefully soon. i have seen our guild memebers out and about in Bichon and so forth. it is really cool to be a part of the same thing. freddykruger HOW SWEET FRESH MEAT (23/10)
Duckbill Junior Member United Kingdom 347 Posts	Posted - 11/23/2001 : 00:56:08 Once again, Guild Leader is fun, but it is not easy. 250+ guilds are fair too many tho
boggy Senior Member United Kingdom 1450 Posts	Posted - 11/26/2001 : 13:55:20 maybe they should up the fee to like 5 million and 2 horns [Boggy] [Dark Kight] [Guild Leader] Beware the latest mid-level boss - {Boggytaurus} Oracle of Mir Forums Moderator
Tricky Game Master Netherlands 1060 Posts	Posted - 11/26/2001 : 16:18:18 Ok, here it comes. A 36 page rant... j/k I want to add my opinion. The "function" of guild leader in MIR is completly missunderstood. Now I don't know what's the exact cause of it, either the game itself or the system provided to make a guild. Maybe there should've been 2 different sort of "guilds". 1 for a group of friends to unite and just have fun and 1 for a group of players to "rule" MIR. The guilds that are actually needed in MIR is the group of "rulers". A clan should be setup like an army. With ranks, RULES and strategies. Now I'm not saying that the guilds out there don't have any of that. Some come very close in setup to the "MIR ideal" guild, whil others are indeed a "group of friends just having fun". A guild should be a oiled warmachine, ready at any time to take on a enemy. The staff has tried to push you guys in that direction first giving by you Sabuk, and with the latest patch the ST/ZT changes. This is only the beginning of what is needed for the guilds to fullfill the makers dreams. In they're vision you get this. quote: create powerful Guilds and conquer legions of opponents defending amazing castles. Sabuk was the first goal for guilds and was used for that purpose in the beginning. Right now, I can't even remember the last "siege" and it's passed along different guilds now and I don't see that change anytime soon. Then with the latest patch we got the ST/ZT improvements. Groups of players got slaughtered there and endless complaining how it was too hard took over the forum. This has changed again recently and more and more players seem to work their way through the mazes with success. It has formed "oiled warmachines" again and this is the spirit that will turn out to be very important in the future. Now imagine this. Instead of making your way through ZT killing mobs, replace the mobs with players/enemies. This is what the purpose is of a guild, to become an army and conquer your enemies. Anyone MUST agree with the fact that no computer AI can beat the way a pvp fight goes. It's a thrill from the beginning till the end. My only advice for guild leaders is, be more prepared for things to come and get ready for a change in how you play this game. /Tricky
Duckbill Junior Member United Kingdom 347 Posts	Posted - 11/26/2001 : 16:56:06 I haven't got a lot of time to type this much on every post... but Anyway, thx for Tricky to make it a lot more clear. You were right about GUILD, some of us is creating it for a group of friends, and missing out the main point of GUILD. My guild NIGHTMARE has created for the people who enjoy playing the game, as to help others when they are needed or whenever I can. I have trying to make everyone one "oiled", but it seems hard work when u look at the price on the MIR market... not complainting....lol 2 days ago, we had the best guild hunt ever (all oiled). It wasn't all the members in the guild who attended, but most of the high lvls. We have completed ST Maze, and defended Evil Snake and 10+ White Boar before people start logging off due to work or run out of HP & MP pot. It wasn't an easy task to make it work...and we didn't had much good drops... We have tried ZT, but part of the problem is that most of us have 2 hours cut off time, so even though we made it to 7F or KR, there is no way that we can que or even wait 3 hours for beating ZT. Anyway, the Stone Tomb bit is the best we had so far, and hence, made everyone happy. As for this topic, I just trying to make people stop creating guilds that will fall at the end and wasting all that time in WT KR, time and money. Just trying to help. Duckbill - Leader of NIGHTMARE
boggy Senior Member United Kingdom 1450 Posts	Posted - 11/26/2001 : 17:30:47 someone came up with a good idea before, make guilds fight for a "flag" they choose which "flag" to fight for, with a choice of 3 the guilds in the ruling "flag" would get benifits like cheaper items/access to better places, that normal people cant go etc this would form stronger groups, sttrong friendships, and give people a drive [Boggy] [Dark Kight] [Guild Leader] Beware the latest mid-level boss - {Boggytaurus} Oracle of Mir Forums Moderator
chunder Junior Member United Kingdom 275 Posts	Posted - 11/26/2001 : 21:54:12 MIR needs more castles or whatever. 1 is not enough. I think the Sabuuk hand overs take place becuase alies get involved, and no single guild is now strong enough to take or defend sabbuk on its own. More castles would mean more dominance for more that one guild. I think alliances would be broken and it would be a few larger guilds ruling, and constantly having to defend / attack. Anyone agree? Chunder RagingDemons - KebabMeatPizza ICQ 97024668 There is no emotion; there is peace. There is no ignorance; there is knowledge. There is no passion; there is serenity. There is no death; there is the Force.
Mir Junior Member 103 Posts	Posted - 11/26/2001 : 23:02:47 Yer. wot u do when u got sabukk...? nothing. u sti around and w8 for a good fight lol u should be able to take over buildings ect. and u should get some creadi for doing it. btw i agree with tricky aswell btw even more i wanted to be guild leader and i did i think the 'Power' idea makes ppl want to try to make a guild. me and my m8 takes turns in leadering which is cool �TaoistOfDoom� �BABOLeader�
Kaos Junior Member 209 Posts	Posted - 11/27/2001 : 21:01:16 our guild has a leader who hates lvling and 2 who loves it. u can imagine who recruits and edits notices etc. but yet we still have higher lvl leaders when needed. JotKaRa Leader Of Raging Demons DAMN I DIED FROM LAG AGAIN
Duckbill Junior Member United Kingdom 347 Posts	Posted - 11/29/2001 : 05:02:43 =)