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Kristel
Average Member


United Kingdom
606 Posts
Posted - 01/08/2002 :  18:57:39  Show Profile
which involves the whole being punished for the actions of a few seems to work very well in the schools of Asia where it is routinely practiced. There is no disobediance and their behaviour is exemplary - A true role model for schools in the UK / USA.

However, those kids don't have a choice about staying or leaving, they have to stay.

Players here are here for fun, and can vote with their feet and wallets. It will be gutting to a lot of people to loose that many items / exp. They will walk. Punishing everyone here will be detrimental to the whole.

With all the experience a Psychology degree brings, I promise you that you are making a mistake by doing this to the players.

Please rethink your actions before it is too late - and let the "balance" see to itself.

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tgitm
Junior Member


United Kingdom
229 Posts
Posted - 01/08/2002 :  21:26:14  Show Profile  Send tgitm an ICQ Message
In the end the Mir staff will just be punishing themselves.
A lot of people will leave.

No customers = no money = no jobs

But while this seems logical to everyone in the game, the Mir staff have proven on many occasions now that they really have no idea what they are doing.

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Akhan
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45 Posts
Posted - 01/09/2002 :  01:14:03  Show Profile

As usual Kristel a well thought out post.

What I don't understand is that what toobad and benin did was 100x more invasive as far as unbalancing the game - yet there was no roll backs done then. So why now?

I say delete the offending players accounts (which they have done in both cases) and life goes on.

MIR get your shi& together.

Anyways I don't really care anymore, just when I thought I'd seen everything in a game that could be skanky, this happnes, this game is plagued by corruption.

And instead of doing what they know should be done, improving the community between players and gms, they screw the players again. Because believe it or not - there are good people in this game playing it.

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Kristel
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United Kingdom
606 Posts
Posted - 01/09/2002 :  01:50:10  Show Profile
quote:

As usual Kristel a well thought out post.



Thank you!

I just logged on to see how many people were online and it was <600. However, to my dismay, I logged on next to a ZumaT. Thankfully, at level 26, my Tao is able to hold her own. However, it did make me think that there is no chance of a reprive in the rollback now. It's certain to happen, and I have to say that it is a shame.

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js7
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283 Posts
Posted - 01/09/2002 :  02:43:01  Show Profile
kinda sucks.... I have already started walking because of the lack of information about updates and patches and so on. I want some new experiences and fun in Mir and it hasn't been produced. I try not to be too critical of Mir staff usually, but I think this decision is at best inconsistent, and at worst just downright crappy.

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scytale
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Germany
162 Posts
Posted - 01/09/2002 :  02:58:58  Show Profile  Send scytale an ICQ Message
Why oh why have they never prosectuted the hackers? They have had repeated hacking attempted throughout their checkered history so why not try to discourage what has been happening.

Oh and hi Kristel and Jup :)

Sorry came back to see if it had got any better ... guess not :(

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Kristel
Average Member


United Kingdom
606 Posts
Posted - 01/09/2002 :  03:04:26  Show Profile
Scy! Jup!

Good to see you around Missed you both!

Do send me an email from time to time - I love to hear from you!
K xx

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Glaivier
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United Kingdom
316 Posts
Posted - 01/09/2002 :  12:22:40  Show Profile
They may actually stop people commiting these offences if they persued even a single case. It would make the kiddie hackers think twice about it, as these cases have shown who has done things and they have merely had their accounts terminated. If they announced a policy to prosecute all attempts to corrupt the data held within their system to the full extend of the law ... it should have a remarkable effect.

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Kristel
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United Kingdom
606 Posts
Posted - 01/09/2002 :  13:15:36  Show Profile
I agree. Hacking is a crime and should be punished.

If these people live in the UK there are definately ways to get it done, regardless of who was hacked.

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mikrid
Starting Member


United Kingdom
29 Posts
Posted - 01/09/2002 :  15:55:43  Show Profile
quote:

I logged on next to a ZumaT. Thankfully, at level 26, my Tao is able to hold her own.

You mean you have a damn good hiding skill and lots of sun pots...

GIGGLE

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PsychoGoten
Junior Member


United Kingdom
311 Posts
Posted - 01/09/2002 :  16:43:00  Show Profile
As i am a fan of yours Kristel i dissagree with this post.

With the masive lag that was brought to us whiel the happenings were goin on i died droppin my serp and pretty much anything usfull. i had no cash as i had just been scammed, in fact i had given mir up!

I had, had enough no serp no cash nothing, then i get a mail from my mate saying about the rewind, how bloody happy could i be, i get my serp restored my cash, and a new name for KOS who had no longer scammed me.

It may be bad for those that killed ZT and got killer items, but still a rewind is perfect, for those that had lag death and they were in their 100ds.

So i am happy, and let it be if people walk they walk, everyone will walk sumtime. even you Kristel

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Kristel
Average Member


United Kingdom
606 Posts
Posted - 01/09/2002 :  17:33:07  Show Profile
quote:

As i am a fan of yours Kristel i dissagree with this post.

aw - so sweet!

I think I didn't explain clearly though.... I logged on after I heard about the server rewind, last night, and found that the world had gone into chaos! That's when I met MrZT (mikrid, it went like this: hide, BA/SS, summon, poison, poison, FSB, FSB, FSB, Sun pot , hide, summon, FSB...)

Now, I think the chaos happened after we were told about the rewind so people could have a bit of fun. Was it then you lost your serpent? I think lag is evil. Anyway, I'm getting at the fact that I think you lost your sword BECAUSE the server was going to be reset, as there was mass spawning. Therefor, if it wasn't going to be reset, you wouldn't have had the spawning, lag and loss?

Is that right? I'm not too clear about what happened yesterday before about 5:30pm GMT. Anyway - PsychoGoten - very glad it worked out well for you . I have to admit, I was only effected about 15% and 70K, which isn't too bad (I work at weekends).... so I'm not too annoyed. I just feel very very sorry for those lvl30+ who have lost 50%+items.

Also one good thing to happen last night was that it gave me the chance to solo a Wooma Guardian. I lured it away from a pack to a quiet area where we did battle:
Summon, hide, SFB, SFB, SFB...... rev.... oops! Not damaging it at all!

Hide, summon, poison x2, SFB, Summon, SFB SFB SFB.... rev.... yay! 75% and counting.....

Several Sun pots, skellys and amulets later it dies.

Now I wouldn't have been able to do it unless it was one on one, but a good thing to remember Taos is that it would be completely impossible had I not used EVERY skill I have:
Poison+Summon+SFB (especially poison)
Hide/BA/SS/Heal (keep me alive)
Revelation/mass hide (keep skelly alive)

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FirstAndLastPost
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Posted - 01/10/2002 :  00:38:16  Show Profile
At last a sensible thread I feel I can add my 2 pennies to. From a 'newbies' point of view. The dynamics of things are obviously different for those of you who had invested many hundreds of hours in-game.

I used to play text based muds back at Uni, and found that a very enjoyable experience, so after catching LOM show on game-network one too many times I thought 'why not?'.

I started playing LOM about two weeks ago. I went p2p after two days of playing because
- The game seemed fun.
- There were some friendly players (but also a lot of a-holes)
- I figure if I was paying, then I could expect some level of 'proffesionalism' in the way the game was run. i.e. Fairness and Responsiveness.
- I was getting tired of Unreal Tournament.

I havent really played LOM enough to cast judgement on wether its worth playing, but my opinion after about 25 hours play ( to level 13 Tao ) is that the game is unbalanced, bland, and irritating. I would say all these would be excusable if
- We knew they might be improved.
- There was a good social aspect - I know there is a good one among earlier LOM players, and within guilds.. but as a newbie logging in for the first time 1000+ players makes you feel pretty lonely in a big crowd.

Unfortunately I dont get a lot of time to play LOM - so this weekend when I spent 10+ hours - monotonously hacking away at the same 5 or 6 low level mobs, in the same old scenery, using the one spell available to me at level 10-13. I got extremely irritated and boring . In fact I was kinda wondering why someone wasnt paying me to stare at the screen clicking my mouse button and pressing F1. Not fun at all. But I figured, there must be better spells, more interesting mobs, different scenery, better items just round the corner.

Anyway, today I logged in after long day at work - thinking okay lets relax and enjoy a bit of online rpg.. hmm... WTF. No way am I going to spend my afternoon as one of a 1000+ players trying to regain some xp points and 3 levels just because someone who has my money decides my fun (and the enjoyment of 1000s) is not as important as 'restoring the balance'. Isnt the 'balance' there to make it enjoyable and challenging for the players? or is it just wall for GMs to hide behind.

The 5-day free thing, nice gesture, but amounts to nothing. I pay because I want to enjoy my time in LOM - its not about number of days, its about the time I spent advancing a character in the hope that it would be more fun (the unbalanced part) later on.

If it had been a system crash, then fine, I can let that one slide, but what gets me is why the actions of less than a handful means that thousands of paying customers are 'punished'. Frankly I do not want to play a game where the Rules are decided in such a way. I mean WTF?? How did they come to that conclusion as the best way to resolve this problem?? It begs the question : do they even want to pretend that they are considering the customers LOM experience? ; or to they just think we are all gullible geeks who will keep throwing our money at them regardless because they are providing such a unique and good service.

Is it me or did their new article on this whole affair read more like :
' Damn you stupid paying customers.. One of you has hacked into our systems again and done some naughty things. We are cleverer than you, and have spent ages and ages tracking down exactly what you did and how you did it. But you know what.. I cant be arsed undoing what you did. It would take me too much time, and I need to get back to my BOFH classes. I know what, I'll fix this by rewinding 5 days. ..
Eh... what was that? fairness? gameplay?? hmm.. screw that, didnt you hear what I said? it would take me too much time, and besides you started it.
Eh... what? unhappy? irritated.. WTF. you should be happy we let you play on our servers in the first place.
Eh... what? you pay? hurrummppphh.. okay take your damn 5 days back. '

The other thing that really irks me is why have they just simply disabled these crackers (not hackers - there is a big difference) accounts. My real-life (tm) job involves a lot of system and network security. If any commercial system I maintain was cracked, and any non-public information was stolen (passwords which allow access services which are paid for are property with monetory value) and we had solid evidence leading to some one (and IP). We would not simple just ask their ISP to shut the offenders accounts down, we would probably ask the police to request that the offenders be identified so that we could at least send them a huge compensation claim (to be persued in court if necessary) for the damage caused.

I generally avoid these forums because they seems to be full of whiners and unfortunately they seem a lot more vocal (and prolific) than the interesting posts. But reading through a few of the threads make me regret buying into LOM. To be fair to LOM, it seems some of the staff here are stuck between a rock and a hard place. They cant win because they arent in control. It doubt they are just sitting back and not trying to get updates and improve things. But as a paying customer - thats really shouldn't be my problem.

I really wish I had found LOM a lot earlier - because you high levellers geniunely seem to be having fun (if not in game, then in your role in the game). But I fear right now the number and type of players (more your mass market - than you die hard rpg fan) has changed LOM for the worse. LOM needs to change a hell of a lot before I would consider playing it again.

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Geezz what a long moan.. if your still reading then wow!! you fool :)

As the name suggests this is my first and last post and probably my last time in LOM.. I'll probably check in from time to time to see how things develop.

Good luck with your decisions on wether to stay or walk, and if you stay - the have fun in LOM - its the people that make it work cos the system sure is ****ed.

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Lateralus
New Member


Canada
71 Posts
Posted - 01/10/2002 :  01:39:55  Show Profile
PsychoGoten when you say you disagree with her statement, do you mean that you think the rewind is a good thing? or that's it just happens to be a good thing for you?

This rewind has effected all the mir players, and in numerous different ways. Some, like yourself, have had their situations improved, some of just lost time lvling (spells or char), and others have lost rare items or a lot of money. But all in all i'd wadger that the resonding effect through out mir is a negative one.

I don't mean to single you out because i have heard many ppl say it's a good thing because now they get their ....(insert item here) back. But it seems to me like a very selfish point of view. If i had lost an item, i won't lie to you i'd be very happy that the rewind happend ,but, there's no way i'd say it was a good thing. So many ppl were hurt by this ridiculus act,and many will leave bcuz of it. Especially the higher lvl ppl that have been bored to death for the past few months.

The mir comunity has been begging for the staff to do sumthing for us, and instead of helping us they grabbed us by our collective nutts and squeezed.

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Kristel
Average Member


United Kingdom
606 Posts
Posted - 01/10/2002 :  02:10:57  Show Profile
Lateralus , Firstandlastpost, you two both make a very balanced argument. It's people with a balanced attitude that make this game fun for me - my friends in game are lovely, and I trust them a great deal. Sadly, some recent events have made it less enjoyable, and as for the people who caused this rollback, well, I think that has already been said in many other posts!

Firstandlastpost, maybe I can help you get some exp back. With you being new to this maybe it would help if I took you on a hunt to show you the ropes as it were? Taos can be quite powerful, but it takes us a while to get there! send me an email.

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SirLagalot
Starting Member



11 Posts
Posted - 01/10/2002 :  03:22:16  Show Profile
The thing that most upsets me about rewind is the fact that at the moment i am on sick leave from work - unbelievably this started Saturday - so in the time i would normally have been at work I spent lvling up buying a extremely rare Kriss Sword etc, etc, etc.

The way i see it if i hadnt have been sick and been at work I would have only spent 3-5 hours lvling instead of the 30 i lost. So what is the point in having sick leave from work if its screwed off u. By the time i go back to work I may have got to the point in the game where i was at before, so i havent wasted 3 days I've wasted 6 days and only been credited 5 days - so somewhere there i have lost 1 day from my paid account.

Another point here is what about the ppl on Phoenix, why wasnt they rewound the same amount, they are just as innocent as I am but they are still getting 5 free days. So not only isnt there as many mobs on Dragon, we get punished as well, something here is wrong bigtime.

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Godfather
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United Kingdom
737 Posts
Posted - 01/10/2002 :  13:03:15  Show Profile
hi kris! hope you had a good year,
i heard off Jon you joined WDO, good luck and I hope all goes well

quote:
they spawned many mobs, killed them and picked up the drops. from Hober on the FAQ page

So what happend when Toobad and co had Mal's GM account for over a week, they produced hundreds of books, items and weapons and nothing has been done about the players that benefited from them actions.

here is what cubass has to say about it and i carnt agree more

quote:
1) Why are you penalising the community for what is essentially a **** up on your part?

2) Did what happened with Toobad, Benin, Guinty and I teach you nothing or am I the only one who learnt that GM logs should be monitored for discrepancy?

3) Did it never occur to you that the GM client should be different to ensure that this could not happen

4) Is this not the lazy way out? Ie You rewind the server instead of locating the items and deleting them, thus penalizing every player instead of doing the work?

5) I have just spoken to a player who though he might like to try a 2nd character last weekend on Sunday he started a new warrior and leveled it to level 15 so he now starts again (SERIOUS QUESTION: Where any new account started on or since this date, I mean new paying customers who you are going to delete?)


at the end of the day the actions of the staff and 1 player mean we all have to pay.

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Hawklord
Junior Member


Australia
392 Posts
Posted - 01/10/2002 :  15:52:44  Show Profile
Well I think the time warp was the only solution. In fact many many games of this kind have warps back when something goes wrong.

I don't see what all the hoo haa is about. The only people affected were those that found something good, this was offset by those that lost something good.

All the others that bought and sold things can buy them again or sell them again, there's no real need to make this the end of the world!

I can remember once playing UO they warped back 9 days because of a bug that allowed people to duplicate things.

In the end, the good of the game is more important than the good of any individual. Acts that unbalance the game are a big threat. I would suggest the only reason they didn't do it with the Benin, Malerin, Toobad incident was because it had been going on for a while and they would have had to warp some 2 weeks!


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