Simple... effective... doesnt take too much programming time...

For a start more balanced characters will promote grouping.

Also it would mean they would have to learn tactics, and ways to fight in order to maximise their time, just like warriors.

Some people want to go it alone. I like to make small hunting parties; but others don't. You shouldn't make people group.

If there was no PK'ing in game, it wouldn't be a big deal, but I note that I used to get pk'd a lot by people who wanted to hunt with me, only to just turn and fry my fanny when I got low on health.

On the other hand, maybe you can't kill a group member. Anyone know?

Yes, strengthening the warrier, would stop the complaining about the mages and taoists.

It is not so that Taoists and Mages don't have to learn tactics. It's just *different* tactics. As a taoist, I have tactics I've had to learn because until I hit level 14, the only way to kill something is by meelee just like warriers.

I take it you must be a warrier because you are asking for more difficulty for Taoists and Mages.

Increasing the price of mana potions will surely kill us. It is like saying to decrease the killing strength of your swords. Magic is our only reliable weapon and if we can’t recharge it properly and reasonably financially, we will be shooting chickens all our life.

Warriors are destined to work in-group because you are stronger that way since attacking in groups can minimize damage against you. But because of our long-range attack ability, Wizards are able to fight alone effectively. Our HP value rarely go down does not necessary means that we are strong. We are simply rarely touched by our enemy.

People should be forced to group. Soloing early on is fine, but it isnt a true online game unless it Totally stresses grouping and social behaviour.

An online game which you play solo is just not addictive.

As to nerfing classes... has to be done in order to balance the game. Currently the game is too easy for taoists and wizards; they can waltz thru their levels with ease -

it may seem pretty cool, but it really decreases the life expectancy of a game...

I dont see how you can comment on how wizards and taos waltz through their levels. You are obviously a warrior who hasnt played either of the other classes.

I do agree that warriors need to be buffed up a bit. But to go about it by punishing the other classes is short sighted and counter productive. Increasing costs of potions will not make wizards or taos any less powerful, all it means is they are a more expensive character to run. If you want the game balanced, you should look at the warriors skills and stats rather than the cost of potions.

"An online game which you play solo is just not addictive."

Let people decide how they want to play the game. Its not for you to tell them whats addictive or fun.
There are plenty of people who love to go and group up. I am one of them, I enjoy the teamwork. But i also enjoy going off on myown and exploring and killing.

The topic of this thread is misleading. Potion pricing is simply not a solution to class balances.

Try to focus on the big picture. True, at the moment Wizards can extinguish the entire race of mobs all by him/herself because those mobs are plain stupid. They pause every 1 or 2 steps so we can aim them easier. But remember that the mobs are there only to get exps counts. Later on, as Thalazar mentioned about the introduction of guild war/quest in the GOLD VERSION in other topics, Wizards won’t be able to fight alone anymore because Warriors will become too fast for us to aim at.

Just hang in there. The time for your warriors' glory will soon come.

That is, making a game which:
a) promotes grouping, so you make online buddies - so you stick with the game longer... company makes more money.
b) stops the game becoming too easy for any one class... easy games have short life spans...

I mean, check out MUD's to start with. 95% of them are 'us' vs. the computer.

EQ... how popular are the normal 'us' vs. the computer servers compared to the racewar and pk server.

Big picture? What do you think this is Murdoch, a board meeting?!

You crazy Fool!

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lol, just 5 years?
mmorpg it's been part of my life.
go sit down on the side, laddie.

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played MMORPG's for 5 yrs now. Guild wars, pk servers, race wars, etc. have always been seriously hyped... but they've always come second to the playing of the game in a social context...

That is, making a game which:
a) promotes grouping, so you make online buddies - so you stick with the game longer... company makes more money.
b) stops the game becoming too easy for any one class... easy games have short life spans...

I mean, check out MUD's to start with. 95% of them are 'us' vs. the computer.

EQ... how popular are the normal 'us' vs. the computer servers compared to the racewar and pk server.

Big picture? What do you think this is Murdoch, a board meeting?!

You crazy Fool!

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lol, just 5 years?
mmorpg it's been part of my life.
go sit down on the side, laddie.

-=Zillu=-

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I love when people brag about gaming a lot... lol

Soloing in any game gets boring after a time. It may take a week, a month or a year, but humans are inifitely more interesting to interact with than randomly generated creatures.

PS maybe its an age thing too, I've noticed children like to solo more, and adults like to group more. Or is it just me?

He who is attached to things will suffer much. -Lao Tsu

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I disagree with you. In EverQuest, they tried to force people to group, and finally, after people started quitting because all their friends who were playing all the time, were left in the dust so they couldn't make friends.

Making friends, grouping, and getting to know people is something people do because they want to, not because they are held at the end of the gun of forced grouping.

It doesn't add up, you like grouping and make friends but you want to force your view on everyone else? It's contradictory, part of being a friend is not insisting on our way.

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Increase the price of mana potions until everyone stops complaining that wizards and taoists are too powerful.

Simple... effective... doesnt take too much programming time...

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2) If we're trying to promote grouping, giving a warrior fast healing would completely go against that grain. Warriors are meant take hits well, but have poor healing - requiring a tao to heal him and a wizard to hit hard.

3) grouping... my style?! MMORPG games are not designed for solo play. There are literally thousands of games out there which people can put onto their machine and play against the computer.
The entire point of MMORPG's is to interact with other human beings. The reason why I love it is it does overcome class, creed and race (plays heart warming music)...

4) Who said EQ became unpopular?! I've seen the figures and EQ has only ever increased the amount of players its' had... Maybe it seems like there're fewer because there are more areas and more servers?
People didnt quit because their friends increased in level; they just made new friends of their own level.

Sometimes, when I lie in bed at night and look up at the stars, I think to myself, "Man! I really need to fix that roof."

I did not say EQ has become unpopular, I said a lot of folks quit EQ.

I prefer soloing but that does not mean I don't interact with others. I run around and if I see someone that looks like they are in trouble, I toss a heal or two at them or poison the monster. Seems a lot of people do that.

I still play UO, and to me, everyone on the server is someone in the same group, I like being able to help someone, but when I am in a group and someone needs help and I want to give it but can't because I'm in a group, that sucks!

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