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pip-warrior
Starting Member
48 Posts |
Posted - 12/05/2001 : 20:40:32
Please could you let me know if 1/2moon is gonna b in the shops in the next patch....thanks |
Tricky
Game Master
Netherlands
1076 Posts |
Posted - 12/05/2001 : 21:27:45
The staff has never put items in shop. All lvl7+ items in store have been sold by players.A clean reset/start from a server makes the game start with only lvl7 items in store. Every items afterwards is sold by players. This is how this whole econemy works, it's not just putting some items in the stores. This a "very balanced" system and they don't just put things in store. They make reports on how many "items vs players" are in the game and adjust the drop rate according to that. You may have noticed that lvl22+ drops have gotten better lately and more and more rare items are dropped. RubyRings/Plat.Rings/D.Rings/G.Axe/Serpentswords/MageStaff are all getting less rare nowadays.. /Tricky Edited by - tricky on 12/05/2001 21:28:42 |
jehutey
Senior Member
United Kingdom
1586 Posts |
Posted - 12/05/2001 : 21:44:39
i always wondered y i got my scimitar wiv inten+1 for 4500 gold from a shop...i-<**** like my flamethrower? |
battlemaster
Average Member
United Kingdom
735 Posts |
Posted - 12/05/2001 : 21:56:28
I hope it is m8Ostle- guild master
lv up is not easy
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Archeon
Advanced Member
United Kingdom
3664 Posts |
Posted - 12/05/2001 : 22:02:50
Right i just have to find a newbie with half-moon convince him its worthless, get him to sell it and then buy it off the shop-keeper...now where can i find a newbie with half-moon? Have You Seen My Keys? |
Babybear
Moderator
Belgium
657 Posts |
Posted - 12/05/2001 : 22:23:21
i'm a newbie who got halfmoon  BABO for YOU(r own good )
It's more in what you do than in what you say
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jehutey
Senior Member
United Kingdom
1586 Posts |
Posted - 12/05/2001 : 22:28:41
roflmaoi-<**** like my flamethrower? |
PuRaTeCh
Senior Member
United Kingdom
1389 Posts |
Posted - 12/05/2001 : 22:29:25
Id definitely agree with the drops being better tricky m8.Are you serious about all items in shops being put there by us? The day after the last patch, lightening was suddenly in the shop, pages and pages of lightening books... none before that as they were a rarity, i really cant believe that 50 people had just sold to the shop overnight, at a time that just happens to coincide with the patch. The same with bamboo pipes, gold braces, people start selling them to the shops but they get cleared out immediately until suddently there are pages and pages. I did note what was in the shops before and after the update. Medium armour is the only thing that you can buy in a shop that seems to sell out. Has anyone ever seen a mob drop medium armour? Surely the shops cant be fuelled purely by drops.
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Tricky
Game Master
Netherlands
1076 Posts |
Posted - 12/06/2001 : 00:33:26
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Id definitely agree with the drops being better tricky m8.Are you serious about all items in shops being put there by us? The day after the last patch, lightening was suddenly in the shop, pages and pages of lightening books... none before that as they were a rarity, i really cant believe that 50 people had just sold to the shop overnight, at a time that just happens to coincide with the patch. The same with bamboo pipes, gold braces, people start selling them to the shops but they get cleared out immediately until suddently there are pages and pages.
Thing is those stores don't fill up in BW. The first items are offcourse mostly sold at MW and SW. When I used to play I've seen all items appear in the shops in MW first. GoldRings, GoldBraces, BambooPipes all slowly filled up the stores in MW. After i stopped played I heard same that Poweraxe and DeathGaunt also started appearing in MW in shops. After while stuff get's transfered around MIR shops. BW is the last to get most of that stuff... /Tricky
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Hawklord
Junior Member
Australia
392 Posts |
Posted - 12/06/2001 : 00:40:28
quote:
The staff has never put items in shop. All lvl7+ items in store have been sold by players.A clean reset/start from a server makes the game start with only lvl7 items in store. Every items afterwards is sold by players. This is how this whole econemy works, it's not just putting some items in the stores. This a "very balanced" system and they don't just put things in store. They make reports on how many "items vs players" are in the game and adjust the drop rate according to that. You may have noticed that lvl22+ drops have gotten better lately and more and more rare items are dropped. RubyRings/Plat.Rings/D.Rings/G.Axe/Serpentswords/MageStaff are all getting less rare nowadays.. /Tricky
Hi tricky, I feel that there's something not quite right in what you say. When the previous patch happened, a whole range of spellbooks were instantly in the shops. They were not put there by players! No one that had E-shock that was selling for 300k went and sold it to the shops! The higher level spellbooks were put in the shops by the game developers not the players! I would think the same applies to some other items like bamboo pipes, etc. This happened overnight, not over a period of time, one day they weren't there, the next, after the patch, they were! I think perhaps you should check you facts. Hawklord
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Tricky
Game Master
Netherlands
1076 Posts |
Posted - 12/06/2001 : 00:54:06
Ehm, well sorry if you don't believe me about the items. The books well maybe eshock was put into shop with the latest patch but the other items have never been just put into the shops by the staff. The goldrings, goldbraces, bamboopipe's I know 100% sure that they were slowly sold to shops in MW (MudWall). Watch my words, next items will be skelly helms, shaman and expels. These will also appear in MW first. You have to realize one thing. Once let's say a gold ring appeared in shops. After 2 days people in MW are going to sell "all" those goldrings that they had in storage to the shop cause there's no point in keeping em. Once there are let's say 25 rings in the shop for more then 1 day the server takes over and places them in shops permanently. /Tricky
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Squalion
Senior Member
United Kingdom
1906 Posts |
Posted - 12/06/2001 : 01:13:58
So, we need 25 ppl with G.Axes to sell it to weapon shop,
then guard the shop, PKing anyone who tries to enter, for
24 hours or so, and then they will be permanent?Great!
Do I trust some and get fooled by phoniness...
Or do I trust nobody and live in loneliness?
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Tricky
Game Master
Netherlands
1076 Posts |
Posted - 12/06/2001 : 01:19:54
quote:
So, we need 25 ppl with G.Axes to sell it to weapon shop,
then guard the shop, PKing anyone who tries to enter, for
24 hours or so, and then they will be permanent?Great!
Do I trust some and get fooled by phoniness...
Or do I trust nobody and live in loneliness?
ROFL
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hitman015
Junior Member
184 Posts |
Posted - 12/06/2001 : 01:29:29
sometimes it amazes me how little ppl know about game wen i was lvl 5 i noticed how things appeard in MW first some ppl are so dumn and noobiefied damn i wasted my time on a lvl 24 wiz b4 i became a
tao wat a waste of time i feel so noob danielvango taoist of the 26th lvl THO |
Hawklord
Junior Member
Australia
392 Posts |
Posted - 12/06/2001 : 08:10:36
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Ehm, well sorry if you don't believe me about the items. The books well maybe eshock was put into shop with the latest patch but the other items have never been just put into the shops by the staff. The goldrings, goldbraces, bamboopipe's I know 100% sure that they were slowly sold to shops in MW (MudWall). Watch my words, next items will be skelly helms, shaman and expels. These will also appear in MW first. You have to realize one thing. Once let's say a gold ring appeared in shops. After 2 days people in MW are going to sell "all" those goldrings that they had in storage to the shop cause there's no point in keeping em. Once there are let's say 25 rings in the shop for more then 1 day the server takes over and places them in shops permanently. /Tricky
Hi Tricky, while I am quite happy to believe what you say re items because it makes sense that the game would work in that fashion, the spellbooks are obviously not based on the same system. By the way, the patch I mentioned was not the last one but the previous one in early August! After the patch all spell books up to about lev 26 (inc revelation) appeared in the shops. I know because of all the venom from people who had been hoarding e-shocks finding that they were on sale in the shops for 2200 gold or something. So while I understand what you say about the items, it would make sense and create a lot of happy players if the spellbooks that people are currently getting screwed to the wall to get could appear in shops! After all, why have spells up to lev 26 in there and not lev 28? Especially when you consider the levels that some players are reaching now. It is a very disillusioning for a player to get to lev 28 and still be looking a lev 28 spellbook at lev 30 because the campers get all the drops and she (my wife) is trying to get one. There is no balance in this at all! She has now gone from playing 6 to 8 hours a day to playing 1or 2 hours every second or third day! I can tell you from my experience in these sort of games that this is NOT what the developers of this sort of game need! These games work and are profitable BECAUSE people get addicted to them and keep playing to keep leveling. What's the point of levelling if you can't get what you're entitled to when you reach a particular level? This isn't a weapon we're talking about, its a skill for someone at that level! For Christ's sake, warriors only get 4 or 5 skills and they have to pay like 2 million to get a lev 28 skill book? What a crock! I'm a Tao and already have my lev 35 book in storage! I bought it in the last couple of weeks for under 200k! So hopefully, reason will win out and someone will realise that no purpose is being served by helping the rich to get richer while others lose their will to keep playing, after all we all pay the same amount of money to play each month! Ok rant mode off now :) By the way, thanks for taking the time to post, while I understand the GM's reason's for forsaking this message board it's nice to have someone that knows what they're talking about posting.
Hawklord
The Brotherhood of Steel
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Mercz
Moderator
USA
1257 Posts |
Posted - 12/06/2001 : 09:03:49
Actually, Im positive that even eshock wasnt put into the store after the patch. How do I know? I played right after the patch was done, and I got an eshock and I sold it for 100k. And it wasnt in shops by then. If you are wondering why spells made it so quickly into the spellshops, then its because of 1 very simple thing: Massdrops. All the low level spellbooks are dropped by zombies. And at that time, zombies were the most hunted enemy. and well, we've all seen how in massdrops they drop 3-5 books at a time. That totally changed the whole eshock situation. Basically anything that was dropped by zombies made it into shops very very quickly. In case u also didnt realise, after the patch Revelation was introduced into the game. It wasnt in shops. But zombies dropped it, and in about 2 days it was in shops simply because there were too many Rev spellbooks and very few Taos were at a level high enough to even use it.The problem right now in the game is, there arent enough low level players. It causes a massive imbalance in the drops. I dont think they reduced the droprate of halfmoon. Its just that there are so many warriors who need it now compared to earlier. Let it be a lesson for the future...Always buy items well in advance when they are selling for cheap if u anticipate being a part of the baby boom (U r riding the wave of that class with most players of your approx level) *tries reading his last sentence and notices how hard it is to understand*...Oh well 
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Hawklord
Junior Member
Australia
392 Posts |
Posted - 12/06/2001 : 11:27:16
quote:
Actually, Im positive that even eshock wasnt put into the store after the patch. How do I know? I played right after the patch was done, and I got an eshock and I sold it for 100k. And it wasnt in shops by then.
Hehe I must have been the bunny that bought it! I bought one for a friend for 100k only to find he had bought one from the shop for around 2k! This was the first reboot after that patch had been applied. I managed to sell it to someone for 30k who hadn't realised yet that they were in the shops! To make it even worse, I got one dropped when I went to the mines later that day! Aye carumba! Hawklord
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dragonoffire
Average Member
United Kingdom
530 Posts |
Posted - 12/06/2001 : 11:37:07
quoteYou may have noticed that lvl22+ drops have gotten better lately and more and more rare items are dropped. RubyRings/Plat.Rings/D.Rings/G.Axe/Serpentswords/MageStaff are all getting less rare nowadays.. /Tricky
Edited by - tricky on 12/05/2001 21:28:42
===================================================================== i have and am grateful :PPPPPPPPPPP at last i got my gr8 axe last week Dragonoffire
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Duncs
Junior Member
United Kingdom
121 Posts |
Posted - 12/06/2001 : 12:53:49
quote:
Ehm, well sorry if you don't believe me about the items. The books well maybe eshock was put into shop with the latest patch but the other items have never been just put into the shops by the staff. The goldrings, goldbraces, bamboopipe's I know 100% sure that they were slowly sold to shops in MW (MudWall). Watch my words, next items will be skelly helms, shaman and expels. These will also appear in MW first. You have to realize one thing. Once let's say a gold ring appeared in shops. After 2 days people in MW are going to sell "all" those goldrings that they had in storage to the shop cause there's no point in keeping em. Once there are let's say 25 rings in the shop for more then 1 day the server takes over and places them in shops permanently. /Tricky
I have to confess that this really surprises me as I have been convinced that a certain amount of items are "spawned" within the shops. The reason I've thought this is that there are items sold to shops which I can't believe a players has sold to a shop. As an example last night I bought a full dura Luck +*2* tiger necklace from the jewellry store in Mudwall. I cannot believe that anyone would have sold that to a shop by accident for about 3K. I also think that surely anyone capable of killing s mob to get a tiger in the drop should know a Luck +2 is not for sale to the shop - well unless you are crazy anyway? Thoughts?
Duncs
Era - Phoenix
Soul Provider - The *home* of Taoism
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Tricky
Game Master
Netherlands
1076 Posts |
Posted - 12/06/2001 : 14:05:05
Nope special stats is a whole different story. Luck, Inten, Agil, acc and extra DC/SC/MC is decided serverside once you view the items in the store. The server puts those stats on, say 1 out of 10 items put into store will get extra stats put on it by the server. These items haven't been sold by players, well maybe a few of em but most are generated by the server. The game and log system doesn't look at extra stats, so refining a KrissSword inten+1 is no more risk then refining a normal one. The server doesn't look at these added stats and it will be counted as a normal item. Hope I made my self a bit understandable in this message but I can't seem to explain any better then this. /Tricky
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Duncs
Junior Member
United Kingdom
121 Posts |
Posted - 12/06/2001 : 14:38:43
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Nope special stats is a whole different story. Luck, Inten, Agil, acc and extra DC/SC/MC is decided serverside once you view the items in the store. The server puts those stats on, say 1 out of 10 items put into store will get extra stats put on it by the server. These items haven't been sold by players, well maybe a few of em but most are generated by the server. The game and log system doesn't look at extra stats, so refining a KrissSword inten+1 is no more risk then refining a normal one. The server doesn't look at these added stats and it will be counted as a normal item. Hope I made my self a bit understandable in this message but I can't seem to explain any better then this. /Tricky
This is excellent thanks Tricky - This has made it clear as a bell. I've basically made all of my money to hunt by buying items with special stats from the stores and using them/trading/selling them on. I've found a few items which I just cannot believe were sold to teh store with those stats intact (eg the luck +2 necky). Obviously these are being added to the items after they are sold to the store. It also explains how on earth someone on Phoenix bought an SC 1-5 !!!! Kriss from mudwall weps dealer. I was staggered that someone would have sold that to a shop. Duncs
Era - Phoenix
Soul Provider - The *home* of Taoism
http://marshfarmer.tripod.com/soulprovider/
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pip-warrior
Starting Member
48 Posts |
Posted - 12/06/2001 : 18:13:33
wow...didnt realise i'd get such a responce i was expecting a yes or no...lolanyway i got bored and bought it last night any way...lol
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Archeon
Advanced Member
United Kingdom
3664 Posts |
Posted - 12/06/2001 : 18:28:50
*runs up to baby bear*"hay come on you don't want that do you?" Have You Seen My Keys? |
Yomoto.
New Member
United Kingdom
54 Posts |
Posted - 12/07/2001 : 18:27:23
ok should i go and mine for 2 weeks none stop for a g axe or wait until the patch?
yomoto=lvl 26 warrior
darkmist=lvl 13 mage
EarthShaker=lvl 11 Taoist (Pheonix Server)
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Mir
Junior Member
103 Posts |
Posted - 12/07/2001 : 18:37:21
quote:
So, we need 25 ppl with G.Axes to sell it to weapon shop,
then guard the shop, PKing anyone who tries to enter, for
24 hours or so, and then they will be permanent?Great!
BRILL idea! if u can find those 25 ppl who r willing to sell there g axes for like 2k!±~BÅBO, Here For Ü~±
±~TaoistOfDoom~±
±~PhoenixServer~±
±~Leader Of BABO~±
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Yomoto.
New Member
United Kingdom
54 Posts |
Posted - 12/07/2001 : 18:41:17
get GM's to do it
yomoto=lvl 26 warrior
darkmist=lvl 13 mage
EarthShaker=lvl 11 Taoist (Pheonix Server)
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Skidd
Senior Member
United Kingdom
1436 Posts |
Posted - 12/08/2001 : 13:51:10
quote:
RubyRings/Plat.Rings/D.Rings/G.Axe/Serpentswords/MageStaff are all getting less rare nowadays..
Ive seen all the great axes (found 3) still aint finding any tao items. In-game name Surberous
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