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Legz Moderator Netherlands 933 Posts	Posted - 11/16/2001 : 23:46:55 KSE has returned the Mace on condition that one of their members that got a great Axe on less than honourable manner from Robertt give it back to him. That all just now happened. KSE is sorry for what happened, and will do anything to stop this from ever happening again. When we first got the Mace revenge tasted sweet. But after a day i realized that i never would want to hold that mace. For that matter... _ANY_ mace i would now get my hands on would be tainted by this. steve2544 (other KSE Leader) felt the same way i found out. Weighing both... KSE owning a JM and a guilty conscience / bad name in one hand and in the other... Nothing realy.. _NOT_ a Guilty conscience anyways... "Surrender_AND_Die!" : Legz KSElders-Guild Master
Ninja Junior Member 373 Posts	Posted - 11/17/2001 : 00:14:00 ah well, suppose it had to happen i guess you couldnt really keep it and be proud of yourselves, good decision legz. -Hugo-lvl-23-Wizard- -Mistabong-lvl-20-Taoist- -An ashtray is found the second after the ash drops off...think about it-
Bert Starting Member Spain 29 Posts	Posted - 11/17/2001 : 00:31:53 I wanna thank KSE for their wise decision. Ty ppl this is a lesson for many players.
LiNKz Average Member USA 545 Posts	Posted - 11/17/2001 : 01:05:58 should of sold it and givin them 3/4 of the cash. At least would of payed back for all that wasted posts and time tryin to get to the kr. --- SWATLiNKz Taoist of the 23rd Level. Brotherhood Unification� LiNKz Mage of the 15th Level. SWAT �LiNKz n00b� The monkey Revolution has begun.
malicki Junior Member United Kingdom 229 Posts	Posted - 11/17/2001 : 01:45:52 selling it would not have removed that bad feeling you obviously had, giving it back was a good decision and shows that your reputation is deserved as good people. If only everyone was like you. MALICKI TarotLodge Elder Magician Of The 27th Level ELREK - TarotLodge Warrior Knight of the 17th level - In this land of fantasy remeber our alternate reality
Legz Moderator Netherlands 933 Posts	Posted - 11/17/2001 : 02:50:32 LiNKs > I'm sure that they much more prefer to own a Mace than 5/8 Million Gold or so. If we would have sold it it would have done no good to either Guild. Yeah, cash is nice... But have you seen any Maces for sale lately? Yes the couple of Millions _would_ come in handy. But as i see it... We get more out of this in the long run. One thing is for sure now... Ever steal from KSE ... You can aswell delete your Character ... "Surrender_AND_Die!" : Legz KSElders-Guild Master
Legz Moderator Netherlands 933 Posts	Posted - 11/17/2001 : 02:53:32 OWW Mufster?! Where are you? You owe us a Mystery Wheel. You stole that from a KSE Guildhunt in Mystery Cave 2 weeks back this Sunday. You got TWO days to return it. More to follow. "Surrender_AND_Die!" : Legz KSElders-Guild Master
steve2547 Starting Member United Kingdom 24 Posts	Posted - 11/17/2001 : 03:00:39 Well we did the right thing. We thought long and hard about it and in the end we decided that it would be best to return the JM provided THO returned the great Axe which they stole from robberrt (not a guild member but a good friend) They agreed and as such we returned the JM. All parties now happy :) But i must add if other guilds steal from members of this guild or our allies or other freinds then i would not hesitate to do the same again in order to get the items returned that were stolen from the aforesaid. I hope this is a lesson for all!!! If no one steals in the first place there should never be a reoccurance of this again, except i suppose from certain ppl that like nothing more than to annoy and steal from those for fun. nuff said!! Us guild leaders should know better! Steve2544 Warrior 33 KSElders Guild Leader http://homepage.ntlworld.com/selina.rey
Jennox Average Member United Kingdom 714 Posts	Posted - 11/17/2001 : 03:06:32 2 wrongs don't make a right and ur a damn mod ur suppose to be neutral and helpful also clean out posts yet u hesitated on keeping the mace even though u know it was wrongfully stolen so we have a dishonest mod who keeps stolen items then realizes he is a mod and has a reputation so gives it back then we have babybear who wants everyone to leave so she can have all items....great Ingame name:Jennox Class:Wizard Level:26 Guild:None Active State: Retired
Mercz Moderator USA 1257 Posts	Posted - 11/17/2001 : 03:38:54 Jennox - Where have u been? Maybe u missed the post about this a few days ago. About 50% suggested returning it and about 50% suggested keeping it. Its not as easy a choice as choosing between black and white. On a side note, we are mods on the forum...Nothing more. We can do what we feel like in the game. We are not neutral. We are what we want to be. We are just ordinary players. We can be Pkers if we feel like it. Just because we are mods on the forum doesnt mean jack ingame....Just wanted to let u know But Im glad u decided to return it. I felt that was the right thing to do.
Sanctis New Member 71 Posts	Posted - 11/17/2001 : 04:45:27 Well I want to thank KSE for the returning the Mace. It truely was the right thing to do. U cleared your name, and save us all from very boring consequences. Those who said "Keep" should look at KSE and learn. No1 is perfect. What matters is that u make it all right. There is still some practical problems with Zuma that all Guild Leaders should try to solve before damage is done. I consider this matter closed.
Legz Moderator Netherlands 933 Posts	Posted - 11/17/2001 : 05:38:44 It isn't fully closed (The door is shut, not locked) untill THO keeps up their end of the bargain, and help us take Sabuk when that day arrives. That will make up for what we did for them. (Edited cus meanwhile another grievence is moved out of the way. Thanks Stone =) Edited by - Legz on 11/17/2001 08:54:43
Jennox Average Member United Kingdom 714 Posts	Posted - 11/17/2001 : 06:00:18 Jennox - Where have u been? Maybe u missed the post about this a few days ago. About 50% suggested returning it and about 50% suggested keeping it. Its not as easy a choice as choosing between black and white its a simple choice hes a guild leader and a member stole an important and very rare item because there guild failed to handle the spawns so they blame tho for not helping when they didn't need too i quite frankly would not help another guild out so they can take ztkr ill make it as difficult as i can without neglecting the rules of fair play they acted as any other guild would they wanted the prize for themselves and to have some little punk take an item is all wrong don't care if they deserved it u just don't do it im really saddened legz had to consider it any other guild leader would of given back straight away actually i dont even think any other guild would of stolen(only guilds who can reach there) Ingame name:Jennox Class:Wizard Level:26 Guild:None Active State: Retired
Xanthian Junior Member United Kingdom 257 Posts	Posted - 11/17/2001 : 06:09:39 quote: It isn't fully closed untill THO keeps up their end of the bargain, and help us take Sabuk when that day arrives. Yippeee a worthy challenge for the might coalition Plz make it a friday so i can come along Visit Mir Online
DemonZ Moderator 426 Posts	Posted - 11/17/2001 : 06:25:25 I think you made the right choice Legz. Its nice to see there is still honor among both of your guilds... Cheers, DemonZ
Stone Starting Member 44 Posts	Posted - 11/17/2001 : 06:56:21 Sorry Legz for not posting earlier I have been kept up. As in our agreement I have appologised to Robberrt, returned the axe and appologised to KSE leaders for the past events and am now making a formal oppology. I gratefull that you kept up your side of the bargain and returned the mace and I am also very glad to know that you are an honest leader (I believe I am as most of my guild will tell you). I only wish more guild leaders could be this trusted in the future. Also I would like to point out you have returned the spirits of our guild and made the whole guild very happy and whole again. For that I am especially gratefull as this event had threatenned a lot of the guilds future including my own.
Talandar Starting Member 16 Posts	Posted - 11/17/2001 : 10:35:46 Well done Legz & Steve.
Chirack New Member United Kingdom 52 Posts	Posted - 11/17/2001 : 13:11:11 Glad to see that you returned the JM, shame that it was allowed to happen in the first place, maybe you would not have lost members then. And for the record Steve and Legz, harpo,Onduir,myself,Timerider,Astrogirls,harrykewel, are not cowards as stated by certain menbers of guild, we just did not agree with the fact our reputation was being distroyed by certain members within the guild, thats why we left. No need to vote on steeling, 2 wrongs do not make a right EVER. Also as for certain members saying that we used guild to level and get items, that is a joke, considering how much we all gave in items to members and never charges a single gold piece. We also never received one single item from guild we only ever gave, unlike one member who was stone broke one day, went to mc on guild raid and sold items and now has a GREAT AXE, we were always fair to everyone in KSE and hope you all remember that. Dont ever accuse us of being cowards just remember some members did put the guild first and you have lost them now. I was in KSE and wanted to stay there forever, but certail players who have not got what it takes to be called KSE are being allowed in now, it was making us all feel sick the way the guild was turning the steeling of JM was the straw that broke the camals back. I know you will probably hate me for saying all this, but my words are truthful and many KSE have Pmed me to agree with way guild is going, but I will miss you all so much it will hurt for a very very long time, we have lost more than a home in KSE we have lost friends. Will miss you all, CHIRACK
Saruman Junior Member 138 Posts	Posted - 11/17/2001 : 17:25:56 Hello matie.. Well i can understand u all leavin.. but i think thats an easy way out.. instead u all should come back and fix the things u think have started to go wrong.. and for the record.. i am a member in KSE and im to stay there forever,(or atleast until i get kicked out )the things ure saying about certain players who have not got what it takes to be called KSE are maybe not fair.. i think the fast change from KS to KSE has something to do with it.. well somehow it dont feel right to talk about theese things in public.. but im not that sensetive.. sometimes.. hmmm.. im shure we all meet ingame.. enjoy! Thx Saruman
Saruman Junior Member 138 Posts	Posted - 11/17/2001 : 17:35:25
Re�Nu Junior Member Vatican City 191 Posts	Posted - 11/17/2001 : 17:38:14 i think a round of applause is in order for KSE applause .:Re�Nu:.� Dragon Warrior lvl 14 Guildless .:Re�Nu:.� Phoenix Warrior lvl 6 Member of BABO
Brite Junior Member United Kingdom 395 Posts	Posted - 11/17/2001 : 18:36:24 yea yea when u nice u don't go LOOK AT US WE ARE NICE !!!...really look we are good .....guys LOOK Brite lvl 23 Taoist "Protecting the rich Denying the poor" Anti-Druss
jj87 Junior Member USA 125 Posts	Posted - 11/17/2001 : 18:47:04 no ofense but i think u guys should mind your own business because i had a right to have that axe and i kept it for a very good reason. you guys are lucky u had an excuse to give the j mace back. even though me and rob are now friends again we had our differences and fights b4 so next time stay out of it pls.
Styn Junior Member Canada 173 Posts	Posted - 11/17/2001 : 20:51:18 See....there still is decency in this game Styn Good luck to you
thorinoak New Member Canada 67 Posts	Posted - 11/17/2001 : 21:11:05 Hmmm.. it seems all nicely rapped up cept one thing. Discostu has yet to post on this topic. Since it was him that found the mace i was just wonderin about his opinion in the matter. Im sure he supports his guild leader choice i just want to know wat he thinks :) -=-=-=-= Thorinoaktho -=-=-=-=-= -=-=-=-= Lvl 27 tao -=-=-=-=-=- -=-=-=-= Redhbar0n -=-=-=-=-=- -=-=-==- Lvl 18 wiz -=-=-=-=-=-=
SUCKY Starting Member Netherlands 32 Posts	Posted - 11/17/2001 : 21:14:40 No JJ87!! SUCKY Taoist level 31 TheHolyOrder
Legz Moderator Netherlands 933 Posts	Posted - 11/18/2001 : 10:51:47 quote: no ofense but i think u guys should mind your own business because i had a right to have that axe and i kept it for a very good reason. you guys are lucky u had an excuse to give the j mace back. even though me and rob are now friends again we had our differences and fights b4 so next time stay out of it pls. DUH!! "kept it for a very good reason"... So now YOU are justifying YOUR Thievery? Thought we were past that now? Camelbreath! "Surrender_AND_Die!" : Legz KSElders-Guild Master
PunkChick Starting Member 1 Posts	Posted - 11/18/2001 : 13:03:46 I think Chirack has a damn good point! I know for a fact that 2 of the ex guild members gave a hell of a lot of stuff to guild. Infact, 1 ex member gave between 5/6 million and the other gave between 2/3 million gold to the guild. They didnt get much from the guild only 2 rings which are worth about 60/70k. The guild brought it on themselves. Because the JM was stolen, people whe weren't involved in the THEFT had to watch their backs and play in fear of being PK'd it was totally out of order. So what if KSE have returned to JM they lost their BEST players and will be so DAMN LUCKY if they get them back. KSE have never done anything like that before and they stole it cos they were sulking cos they died in ZT and THO got through. All that means is that KSE obviously hadn't planned the hunt very well. KSE are not going to get members as GREAT as Harpo, Chirack, Timerider or Astrogirls anymore. They are the kindest players that most people have come accros in the game and they are pretty damn high aswell. They dont need no guild to lvl or to 'GET' stuff from. Chirack, I am 1oo% behind what you say and have to credit you for leaving a guild who earned themselves a crap reputation. Just because they returned the JM does not mean that everything is ok for KSE their guild has suffered tramendously and is still suffering. The cowards are not Harpo, Astrogirls, Chirack, Timerider, Harrykewell or Ondiur but the people who voted and agreed to keep the JM! I hope KSE have learned a lesson!
Saruman Junior Member 138 Posts	Posted - 11/18/2001 : 13:58:23 Hello matie.. Well hello ther punk.. idono but play in fear.. tssss.. its always spizy with some maybe pk after u.. i wouldnt wanna play a online game without any nice thrilling feelings from time to time.. and yes we maybe lost some good players.. but thats not for shure.. and most peops know that ure in aguild for friendship and nicely huntraids/ wars etc.. and then u just give or recive stuff from your maties.. and ure right we KSE haveto earn some respect back.. but to say we have gotten a crappy reputation is taking it abit far.. and cowards.. whos a coward.. hmmmm.. i dono.. i dont see one.. enjoy! Thx Saruman
fizog Junior Member 115 Posts	Posted - 11/18/2001 : 14:10:11 PunkChick, it's a bit rich to speak of cowardice when it's obvious you made the 'PunkChick' ID to comment anonymously about this issue. As for KSE suffering, they still have many great players, and it's perfectly feasible that one or two of those that left will rejoin in the near future.
thorinoak New Member Canada 67 Posts	Posted - 11/18/2001 : 14:27:39 quote: Hmmm.. it seems all nicely rapped up cept one thing. Discostu has yet to post on this topic. Since it was him that found the mace i was just wonderin about his opinion in the matter. Im sure he supports his guild leader choice i just want to know wat he thinks :) -=-=-=-= Thorinoaktho -=-=-=-=-= -=-=-=-= Lvl 27 tao -=-=-=-=-=- -=-=-=-= Redhbar0n -=-=-=-=-=- -=-=-==- Lvl 18 wiz -=-=-=-=-=-= Still no discostu post :) -=-=-=-= Thorinoaktho -=-=-=-=-= -=-=-=-= Lvl 27 tao -=-=-=-=-=- -=-=-=-=- Redbar0n -=-=-=-=-=- -=-=-==- Lvl 18 wiz -=-=-=-=-=-=