I'm sure you'll like this debate. ;-) The forum, like the game for most long term players, is just way to boring. So here we go.

I haven't tried the insert quote thing before so to be sure I get your qoute in I'm also doing a cut and paste here it is.

"Regardless of who is behind the controls that particular character, the player holds all responsibility of previous actions brought forth during play with that individual character. If a player has more than one character then each of the characters roleplaying activities are taken into account differently and all action regarding one particular character are undertaken on a seperate basis.

For example: If one player has three characters, one of which is the good guy and the other character is the bad guy with the last charactere being unused but still controlled by the same player - all characters are different regardless of who is controlling them.

As when one character enters play he is responsible for his/her actions. Once another character enters play he is also responsible for his/her actions. If one character upsets someone that is the character that should be questioned and not all characters.

I have to say at first agreed with you. Then after thinking it over, I now think you are absolutley wrong. If one of your characters interact with someone elses character, that will cause a positive or negative biais as well to your other characters. You fail to understand the game extents beyond the game, and in fact pulls in the human factor.

Your characters combined make up your in total game personality. So yes, ideally you want to be able to play a good and bad player without anyone penalizing either of your characters. It is not the character(s) that people are responding to but rather the player of multiple characters.

These on line games cross into a sort of real life/game world, where both sets of roles/rules collide. If you want to have your multiple characters unaffected by the actions of each other, then you have to seperate the players by not telling people the names of the multiple characters you control.

As soon as you tell people that the same person controls both characters then you have in fact made the actions of one character often the responsibility of the other as well. Because you have introduced a "player" connection to both. We as humans can't normally separate the two, that's the way humans are. Now you can screw WT and kill him a thousand times with one of your characters,and guess what WT will not be biased by that action when he see's your other player. However WT is computer generated and we are not.

So if you continue to tell the Mir gaming, or even if you cross over into another game, who your characters are (Lord IronFist) then you have to accept any cross over actions you may expeience from other people playing the game.

If you PK'd me and I lost a spirit ring or something I'd go after any/all of yor characters. After all I'm not interested in getting back at your character, he could care less he is computer generated with no feelings. I'm human with feelings I'd want to get back at you. ;-)

Simple fact is - some people accept different characters being such that (its a role play game obviously!). Some people take the game way too serious or are just n00bs to this genre and dont understand how it all works.

No need to repeat myself!

If a character is gonna PK - he's gonna PK
If a character isnt gonna PK - he isnt gonna PK
If a character crosses the boundary of the above then that character therefore breaks the role and then connects to the previous character role. Until that role is broken the current role is totally different to that of a previous one.

Think about it!

Just wondering how far your indepenace goes.

Yes, it is possible to have multiple characters and play each one of them with a different personality & keep them all separate. It is difficult, but not impossible. Most people are unable to do this & it is fairly easy to see similarities in all of the characters they play.

When you've made friends with one person & they mention that they have another character, the good feelings that you have for the first character tend to naturally transfer over to his/her second character. You don't start off fresh as if you've met them the first time. The same thing happens if you've had a problem with someone. If I've had experience with a player being a drop stealer, I will not hunt with another character played by the same person.

When your newbie character gets pked, 99% of the players out there will pull their high level character out of mothballs & go "talk" to the pker. The lines between the different characters played by the same person get blurred all the time.

Some people do use multiple characters to express different aspects of their personality, most of us just use multiple characters to explore different aspects of the game.

Scooby

J/K btw

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So, Lord do you not share your stuff between you chars??
If you are going for true independant characters then surley they should all have to act in character, i.e if you had a war he would have to give that 2.2mil for a great axe to your tao.

Just wondering how far your indepenace goes.

Olorin
Level 24 Wizard
Moradin
Level 26 Tao
If the feeling is gone its time to take it back

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Well the characters in question...one is on Dragon the other on Phoenix.

LordNicoN
Taoist lvl-666 : BABO Comity
DARKEN SOULS - GUILD MASTER
"Krystal's Demonic Master"

Yup, bored, bored. I used to really enjoy the Mir forums but they seem to really lost substance now. Guess the game and forum is showing its age.

Quote from LordN. "I've already explained the rules and methods of RPGs elsewhere on the forum."

Naaaa you explained the rules as you think they are or should be, not as they actually are. Once you get to an on line game dealing with reeal people their are no set of written rules.

As demonstrated in Mir over and over most, people can't seperate individual characters from the player of the character. So you might like to believe and pretend that your two characters are compleltly sperate but they are in fact not. They are only truely seperate in a single player game, not in an on line gaming community.

I've killed more people on Dragon than I have forum posts but have never went red once on Phoenix.

So basically...stfu if you can not accept that fact

Im living proof of how two characters can be seperate from another and I can list many, many, many others just like me!

Face it, you can play various roles in this role playing game and they can all be different! That's the reason it's called ROLE PLAY as there are many different ROLES TO PLAY lmao!

Like I said before...if you cant grasp such role playing methods, you're not upto scratch with how people play RPGs!

You simply take this game way too serious to even come to terms of what an RPG actually is, or have not witnessed many RPGs or RPG environments!

You over look the "human" element of the game and want to try to make a definiton that by passes that completely. Maybe in your case you can divorce any and all connections between multpile char palyed by the same person but I doudt it. It is the person behind the character you relate to and not the character. If you have a good m8 in the game and you share items etc. with them, if they create another player you would continue to share and support that character. Not becasue of the "character" but rather due to the relationship you have started with that person. The multiple characters are simply an extension of the humans personalility real or play acting. As such the characters are conneected and often the actions of one affect the interactions and reactions others will have witht he second character.

Even you for the longest time wouldn't admit LordIronfist was your other character. Why? Probably because you knew Lord Ironfists actions might have bisased peoples reaction to your new character.

I get many people that hated me on Dragon come onto Phoenix and message me knowing that the two characters are different and play different roles and relate to me as such.

So please cut your bull**** you clearly have no understanding of such games!

You mention the human element - that goes to show you take this game too serious.

If what my other characters have done in the past if you were pissed off at one would you be pissed off at all 7 of my characters? No you dumb arse you wouldnt! Unless you took the game seriously like you obviously do!

So if I played Quake III and you seen me there would you hold a grudge? You probably would - dumb arse lol

As OmniFusion would say - you stupid KuNt!

RTFM!

Also funny how the guy that does the annoying doesn't want to give out his char name and get it back. Why not it's just a game. lol

You prove my point thanks.

I respected you DD but now looking at your rather idiotic comments make yourself look like a boring old fart that you've become

Take your son for example! One the biggest pain in the arses this server has ever seen! He PKs he steals and he pisses people off. Do you honestly think I want to take out what his current character has done on his others? No you dumb prick - why? Coz it's a fuking ROLE PLAYING GAME! If his other charactrs act like his current character then he asks for all he gets! But if they dont - that very well son proves my point!

Enough said!

As far as you putting him down for that. Man you are so wise beyond your years it's incrediable. BTW ever here of Lord Ironfist on Dragon, oh of course you have, he was your character. He was the #1 pker and on all guilds KOS lists. So what you said about my son applies so many times over to yourself. Man u must be so flexible to get both feet in your mouth so often. lol

Oh! Yes people on Phoenix held it against him that he played that way on Dragon. Which proves my point about the connection between a players characters and the human emotion thing.

BTW do you think I have something against u or your characters? I don't other than all the so nasty things you say to me. Sticks and stones will break my bones and Lord Ironfist will Pk my character ...

Do let me explain yet again. This time I will use nice bold letters (that's the letters that are darker than the others ) to help you spot the point.

Are you ready? Then let me begin...

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Take your son for example! One the biggest pain in the arses this server has ever seen! He PKs he steals and he pisses people off. Do you honestly think I want to take out what his current character has done on his others? No you dumb prick - why? Coz it's a fuking ROLE PLAYING GAME! If his other charactrs act like his current character then he asks for all he gets! But if they dont - that very well son proves my point!

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But you already said in other posts that your son PKed and stole from others for fun on BOTH servers. This explains why you think that everyone else would do likewise on both.

Just because your son PKs and steals on both servers doesnt mean everyone will.

Yes, you can bring up my other characters - but I acknowledge this to be a game and nobody but YOU has ever even compared me to my other characters on the other server.

Maybe that says something too?

I feel that it does - you take this game too serious!

I pitty you!

LordNicoN
Taoist lvl-666 : BABO Comity
DARKEN SOULS - GUILD MASTER
"Krystal's Demonic Master"

"But you already said in other posts that your son PKed and stole from others for fun on BOTH servers. This explains why you think that everyone else would do likewise on both. "

What are you talking about? I honestly have no idea what you are now rambling about. When did I ever say people should do likewise? God things get so twisted from the path from your eyes to your brain.

I have never compared you to your players. Man you are getting everything hosed. The whole point of this thread was an open discussion on the human connection that people make between other players mulitple characters owned by the same player.

It my friend, when you think of it is, a fascinating concept and a great topic that is being displayed on a regular basis in Mir. I could care less about your two characters they have never crossed my paths much. Outside of the one WT incident I've never had any real contact with them. For some reason you chose to take this topic as a slam against you and start all this personal crap and language. Well thats Ok thats the way you relate to things. Doesn't faze me, I've been around way to long for that to borther me.

What I was hopeing for was poeple's inpu on the human connection between players and characters. The cross over if you will. Something that even 5 years ago we probably didn't have but with these new games we are now seeing.

Why you get so defensive and up tight is beyond me. I don't even play Mir any more and haven't for a couple of months. So I it's not my life and I certainly don't take it to seriuosly.

Once again I say chill out, and I mean that in a good way, before you blow a gasket.

Talk about neurotic lmao!

No, I think you once again have things confused my good men.

You're the type of person that says if anyone who is a higher level than yourself has no life (same with the forum) sad fact is that most people can play games and have a life. You seem to base your life around games and fail to grasp reality when you're faced with it - your problem nobody elses.

Another point...

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No, I think you once again have things confused my good men.

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...a few good men...

"you wanna know the truth - you cant handle the truth!"

lol

LordNicoN
Taoist lvl-666 : BABO Comity
DARKEN SOULS - GUILD MASTER
"Krystal's Demonic Master"

Got any more popcorn?

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GODapocalypse
~The Chosen One~
There's no honor in MADNESS

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boobs

LordNicoN
Taoist lvl-666 : BABO Comity
DARKEN SOULS - GUILD MASTER
"Krystal's Demonic Master"

hope u will be a mod here lordN hehehehe.

I gotta say one other thing, butter or salt??

Scooby

You want fries with that?

Scooby

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