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Senior Community Manager

There were a few things that led up to the "cheating" though we never actually broke any rules that I am aware of (we aren’t the first we are just the highest profile).

And I would for some reason like you all to know that not all the items came from this the recovery ring and the titan ring are 2 that spring to mind a couple of the maces the clear ring and the warmage staff were all genuine finds.

Firstly we had a hacking in guild that cost us around 40 mil in items (if you haven’t been hacked you have no idea what this does your faith in the game)

2nd The game had gotten very boring and we knew the patch wouldn’t be coming

3rd We thought we could help and it wasn’t limited to TU

A GM a very nice GM gave their account to a friend of ours <<<<<<<<how messed up is that, but who are we to refuse such and offer

So you get to play god, but where do you start?

Well the first thing we did was just run around and spawn a few mobs here and there, we got bored of that and we nearly got caught spawning a ZT in the Wooma Temple lol

So we had to think of somewhere better and the mystery cave was just about the best place there could be for something like this, so for 1 week we spent a couple of hours per night killing boss mobs in the Mystery cave.

First few nights nothing exciting happened and we would regularly go to mongchon and drop rare books and items all over the place, some people must of though Christmas had come on one occasion I left lvl 28+ books in and around Mudwall.

The first time we got a mace we were overjoyed we had about 6 in total and they were mostly sold and traded, I think 3 went to the guild, most of the items in the guild were bought, hey why not we were rich and if we dispersed the items throughout MIR there were no grounds for removing the items that TU members had.

We got a protection ring (very nice just what I always wanted) we got a violet ring <<<<<<<<wtf not even in the manual

Then and I think this was the downfall we got 3 DragonSlayers, at that point Toobad wanted/needed to be level 34.

We also found out that you could lvl all your spells to lvl 3 (imagine lvl 3 lightening, thunderstorm, turn undead, magic shield they all worked a treat now. I wish now I had abused it to level up I could have had level 3 icestorm that would of ruled

We always cleaned up all the drops so we now had 20 - 30 gold bars and nowhere to put them so we bought another account and levelled it up to lvl 10, we then stuck all the gold in there along with a lot of level 30+ weapons.

We weren't greedy so if we sold something and someone wanted to pay XX gold for it i.e. half-moon "I really need it but I only have 200k" well 200k it was and if we knew you it was often free (you know who u are)

I gave people money to start guilds, money to pay for the horn, dropped items all over the place for people to find.

On occasions I would see people that had been ripped off in a deal or lost items due to hacking these people I would single out and give them replacement items (you know who you are)

We never duplicated any of the items, which is an accusation that has been levelled at us, we never respawned the archers the fun stopped long before we got Sabuk.

There are duplicated items in the game I have even been told by another guild leader how to do it (for some reason we said we wouldn’t duplicate items).

The characters they deleted were the ones that traded directly with the GM so it leads me to believe that the GM can help out as long as you don’t trade directly them as that is logged.

I make no apology for what we did and we fully believe that a lot more people would have quit before now had we not spiced it up, I do apologise to the people who believed in me, up until this incident I would never of considered getting involved in such a thing (I knew how to duplicate items but never got involved) but I had almost quit previously through boredom and this kept me going.

I guess the only thing left to say is goodbye (though I don’t feel we broke the rules the GM did I feel sure we will be deleted). The reason this hasn’t been posted already is that I have been awaiting a decision by MAPO. I can say I had fun out of MIR and I would like to thank a lot of people for that. It would take too long to name them all anyone who knows me will know who they are when I say “get as much enjoyment out of what’s left of this game, we know what we put in and in a moment of madness I blew it but hey no regrets” I don’t blame the makers it was the first stab at an online game and it held so much promise at the beginning, lack of support and lack of new ideas where what led to a lot of the problems in the game.

One last point and a point to ponder, MAPO had a meeting yesterday and a decision was made about this, this decision was changed when Guinty started posting because they wanted to keep it quiet.

I will be perusing WEMADE for a refund of my subscription because we have not broken any rules and they have broken our contract and infringed my consumer rights.

Cubass - Wizard
Pricee - Warrior
Leader of TheUndecided®

To the people involed.
Why did you do this? Alot of your 'friends' have stuck up for you, trusted you and what you do to them?
I feel sorry for the remaining TU that didnt have a clue any of this was happening.
Dont you understand by cheating in this way, you are soley responsible for the demise of online gaming because its not just this game, its every online game. the whole online gaming community would be a much better place if people like you got your computers taken away from you for ever.
Cheating will be the downfall of all online games and I for one would never like to see this happen.

People like you make me sick.

Goodbye.

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Hi all,

after receiving many complains from various players regarding illegal act performed by Game Master to support some guilds, we conducted a deep investigation on some target players to verify all these rumors.

We regret to inform you all that these investigations lead us to discover that six players were involved in stealing a password from a GM, using this character to spawn various mobs in isolated maps to gain various items “for free”.
The name of the GM character “stolen” is Malerin, while the characters involved were: Toobad, Benin, Princee, Cubass, Guinty1 and Calicocat.
Malerin character was also used to help The Undecided guild to conquer Sabuk, killing all the front gate archers in invisible mode.

For more clarification, Malerin account stealing involved Benin in first place to whom Malerin gave account details during her absence to continue her GM work (this operation was never allowed by Mir Staff). Benin shared this password with some of the others characters already named and they started using this account as previously explained.
Of course, we made a deep investigation on connection logs that revealed an IP Poll coming from UK (for the people with technical knowledge we found 97 IP Address coming from 3 Major C Classes coming from), used also by some of the guilty characters. For your information Malerin lives in US and normally uses a completely different connection IP Poll.

After reconstructing the facts, we decided to take the following actions:

1) All the six character were permanently deleted
2) Sabuk Wall was given back to Cavalieri Templari Guild
3) Malerin account is actually blocked until we will not decide our conduit
4) We will track back all the items gained in this way try to recover as many of them as we can (sold ones will be not requested)

For further clarification regarding other GMs acts, we report that Axen gave 3 million gold to Cavalieri Templari guild as refund for the lost archers during the war where these archers were killed by the GM character. No other violations made from GM character were revealed after our investigation.

We remember you all that this kind of actions will never be left unpunished since we have all the way to gain evidence of this kind of illegal acts.

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Legend of MIR
Senior Community Manager

*** Have no fear!!! Your hero is here!!! ***

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Quart, Tao 30.
Enkel, Wiz 23. AngelDust

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I will be perusing WEMADE for a refund of my subscription because we have not broken any rules and they have broken our contract and infringed my consumer rights.

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14. TERMINATION

We may terminate this Agreement (including your Software license and your Account) immediately and without notice if you breach this Agreement or wilfully infringe any third party intellectual property rights, or if we are unable to verify or authenticate any information you provide to us, or upon game play, chat or any player activity whatsoever which is, in our sole discretion, inappropriate and/or in violation of the spirit of Legend of Mir as set forth in the Rules of Conduct. IF WE TERMINATE THIS AGREEMENT UNDER THESE CIRCUMSTANCES AND IN PARTICULAR FOR THE VIOLATION OF THE RULES OF CONDUCT, YOU WILL LOSE ACCESS TO YOUR ACCOUNT FOR THE BALANCE OF ANY PREPAID PERIOD WITHOUT ANY REFUND.

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There you go. I'm quite sure that MIR Staff will find your player activity inappropriate, atleast I very much hope so.

Think before you post...

Malerin, I have no complaints towards her. She gave out her details in the trust that Benin would use them respectfully and that he would obey the rules. I am sure that she is as gutted as me about this situation.

This is merely my humble and regularly ignored opinion,
StealthAssassin

P.S. I shall never visit Mir Tavern again.

Im very dissappointed in the leaders and others in the undecided, as well as the actual ppl who had known about this. i also admit i feel rather gutted i helped you in the war, and im sure others feel the same , especially most of the syndicate....

im gonna cancel the alliance between us and the undecided, i knew we were never any real help to them, but i aint sticking with it

note to THO and HOG members (amd all the others) i apologize for defending these ppl when it was obviously not deserved, tho i think you can see my point of view

well done to HobeR and the others who had helped find out about this, i appreciate what youv done. im not sure what you should do about malerin, but im sure you will sort that appropriately

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I will be perusing WEMADE for a refund of my subscription because we have not broken any rules and they have broken our contract and infringed my consumer rights

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I was under medication when i made the decision to burn the tapes

now all the english ppl tath have said "ct suck" or "axen suck" or any of this bad word, must suck all our italian **** (auto censored)

ALBO CAVALIERE TEMPLARE MAGISTER MILITIAE

sorry for bad english!!!!

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asmo shut up why don't they terminate their own accounts as i and thousands of other ex-players think that their behavior/actions are inappropriate

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Why should I shut up? I've been keeping quiet the last few days and now that I do say something about this whole affair, I get flamed?

And why "why is it always malerin who is to blaim"? She gave out her ID/Pass, does that not make her guilty also?

All I can say that Cubass, Toobad, etc are hypocrite bastards. They cheat, they accuse others of cheating and then they try to convince others that they themselves are innocent. How sad is that?

Also, I'm pissed off at TU for the ClearRing incident, they supported thievery in the outcome while Toobad went to PK one of my guilds members, just because he was on Toobads list of suspects - couldn't be bothered to find out who the real thief was. There has been no apology for that so far as far as I know and propably they'll try to deny it (some TU members already did deny the PK'ing at the forums). But then again, cheaters aren't bothered about honesty.

Think before you post...

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Writing this as a regular player, not as a moderator. I do that sometimes, can't be bothered to write it every time.

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asmo shut up why don't they terminate their own accounts as i and thousands of other ex-players think that their behavior/actions are inappropriate

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Why should I shut up? I've been keeping quiet the last few days and now that I do say something about this whole affair, I get flamed?

And why "why is it always malerin who is to blaim"? She gave out her ID/Pass, does that not make her guilty also?

All I can say that Cubass, Toobad, etc are hypocrite bastards. They cheat, they accuse others of cheating and then they try to convince others that they themselves are innocent. How sad is that?

Also, I'm pissed off at TU for the ClearRing incident, they supported thievery in the outcome while Toobad went to PK one of my guilds members, just because he was on Toobads list of suspects - couldn't be bothered to find out who the real thief was. There has been no apology for that so far as far as I know and propably they'll try to deny it (some TU members already did deny the PK'ing at the forums). But then again, cheaters aren't bothered about honesty.

Think before you post...

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Whoa, a pissed off AsmoTaurus! I ain't gonna fight that thing!

Regards,
StealthAssassin

P.S. I was right, my opinion is ignored.

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SilentAssassin
Wizard - Phoenix
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GoM

I feel no compasion at all.

LouD out...

nice work Internals and thank you for that...

Now when the big wheel is rolling, could you do
something about the con-artist thing, the one
that sends that hoax e-mail requesting passwords
and IDs... and furthermore the con-artists that
do trade cons? We could hang some more criminals
too? I especially hate those trade con-artists!
Not a personal (I've never falled that con) hatred,
but it has been happened to my friends in Mir.

/Lippo

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Just for the record I don’t blame the people who involved me and we always knew we would be caught, but .

There were a few things that led up to the "cheating" though we never actually broke any rules that I am aware of (we aren’t the first we are just the highest profile).

And I would for some reason like you all to know that not all the items came from this the recovery ring and the titan ring are 2 that spring to mind a couple of the maces the clear ring and the warmage staff were all genuine finds.

Firstly we had a hacking in guild that cost us around 40 mil in items (if you haven’t been hacked you have no idea what this does your faith in the game)

2nd The game had gotten very boring and we knew the patch wouldn’t be coming

3rd We thought we could help and it wasn’t limited to TU

A GM a very nice GM gave their account to a friend of ours <<<<<<<<how messed up is that, but who are we to refuse such and offer

So you get to play god, but where do you start?

Well the first thing we did was just run around and spawn a few mobs here and there, we got bored of that and we nearly got caught spawning a ZT in the Wooma Temple lol

So we had to think of somewhere better and the mystery cave was just about the best place there could be for something like this, so for 1 week we spent a couple of hours per night killing boss mobs in the Mystery cave.

First few nights nothing exciting happened and we would regularly go to mongchon and drop rare books and items all over the place, some people must of though Christmas had come on one occasion I left lvl 28+ books in and around Mudwall.

The first time we got a mace we were overjoyed we had about 6 in total and they were mostly sold and traded, I think 3 went to the guild, most of the items in the guild were bought, hey why not we were rich and if we dispersed the items throughout MIR there were no grounds for removing the items that TU members had.

We got a protection ring (very nice just what I always wanted) we got a violet ring <<<<<<<<wtf not even in the manual

Then and I think this was the downfall we got 3 DragonSlayers, at that point Toobad wanted/needed to be level 34.

We also found out that you could lvl all your spells to lvl 3 (imagine lvl 3 lightening, thunderstorm, turn undead, magic shield they all worked a treat now. I wish now I had abused it to level up I could have had level 3 icestorm that would of ruled

We always cleaned up all the drops so we now had 20 - 30 gold bars and nowhere to put them so we bought another account and levelled it up to lvl 10, we then stuck all the gold in there along with a lot of level 30+ weapons.

We weren't greedy so if we sold something and someone wanted to pay XX gold for it i.e. half-moon "I really need it but I only have 200k" well 200k it was and if we knew you it was often free (you know who u are)

I gave people money to start guilds, money to pay for the horn, dropped items all over the place for people to find.

On occasions I would see people that had been ripped off in a deal or lost items due to hacking these people I would single out and give them replacement items (you know who you are)

We never duplicated any of the items, which is an accusation that has been levelled at us, we never respawned the archers the fun stopped long before we got Sabuk.

There are duplicated items in the game I have even been told by another guild leader how to do it (for some reason we said we wouldn’t duplicate items).

The characters they deleted were the ones that traded directly with the GM so it leads me to believe that the GM can help out as long as you don’t trade directly them as that is logged.

I make no apology for what we did and we fully believe that a lot more people would have quit before now had we not spiced it up, I do apologise to the people who believed in me, up until this incident I would never of considered getting involved in such a thing (I knew how to duplicate items but never got involved) but I had almost quit previously through boredom and this kept me going.

I guess the only thing left to say is goodbye (though I don’t feel we broke the rules the GM did I feel sure we will be deleted). The reason this hasn’t been posted already is that I have been awaiting a decision by MAPO. I can say I had fun out of MIR and I would like to thank a lot of people for that. It would take too long to name them all anyone who knows me will know who they are when I say “get as much enjoyment out of what’s left of this game, we know what we put in and in a moment of madness I blew it but hey no regrets” I don’t blame the makers it was the first stab at an online game and it held so much promise at the beginning, lack of support and lack of new ideas where what led to a lot of the problems in the game.

One last point and a point to ponder, MAPO had a meeting yesterday and a decision was made about this, this decision was changed when Guinty started posting because they wanted to keep it quiet.

I will be perusing WEMADE for a refund of my subscription because we have not broken any rules and they have broken our contract and infringed my consumer rights.

Cubass - Wizard
Pricee - Warrior
Leader of TheUndecided®

Edited by - MikeHunt on 12/19/2001 18:52:26

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In Game Name: StormUK
Class: Taoist
Lvl: 29
Guild: BloodReapers

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And this is the END of the story.
I hope ppl now understand all the stupid pressions they did on italian players. They accused to be helped by GMs, and for this they helped the ppl that was accusing CT (i mean the TU). Instead the bad ppl was the leaders of the TU. They talked to has been hacked, but the hackers was they.

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Trooper posted about it because I knew no-one would believe me even though I had screenies.

Sad to see this sort of thing happening..but like ALL games there will be cheats and hackers.

Goodbye Toobad and Guinty1..you were good friends once.

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sorry to say,
i was good mates with toobad & co.
I knew this for over one and a half weeks.
trust me its hard to not tell anyone...
They knew what could happen when the started this, wich also
happened.

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owner of the big polishied white slapping glove
now where did seifer go?

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asmo i still think that malerin did it with good intentions and the isn't to be blaimed, i am sure that if you had a gm account you would abuse it 2. the developers should have thought about this and rather than making one client for both gm's and regular players make a client for gm's and one for players this way this never would have happened. btw who cares about the items one guild gets it should have been a reason for the others to play more and try to get better items, it would have been for me i liked cubass, toobad,benin,... and i still like them maybe more than before as they now again proved that the developers suck.
i think mir is one of the best games i ever played even without updates (i never really cared about updates anyway) but i won't 'play' (might connect to chat) mir anymore unless wemade fires all the gm's (i lost my account almost 4 months ago gm's know and the only gm who tried to help was malerin, i got a mail from mapo saying that if the new owner payed for the account that i couldn't have it back but even when it was clear that the new owner didnt pay for the account and only said he would pay so he could abuse the account for 10 days i still couldn't get my account back in fact they wouldn't even answer me anymore (except malerin)

--theoneandonly--
TheDominion

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I'm not saying that Malerin meant this to happen, but she should know better than to give out her ID/Pass, which she did, making her partially guilty.

As for having access to a GM account (which I don't), I'm past the phase of using it to gain unfair advantage over others.

I agree on the point that there should be a special GM-client, infact I thought few months ago that there was one. I think I even asked one of the GMs if they have a special client.

Think before you post...

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Just for the record I don’t blame the people who involved me and we always knew we would be caught, but .

There were a few things that led up to the "cheating" though we never actually broke any rules that I am aware of (we aren’t the first we are just the highest profile).

And I would for some reason like you all to know that not all the items came from this the recovery ring and the titan ring are 2 that spring to mind a couple of the maces the clear ring and the warmage staff were all genuine finds.

Firstly we had a hacking in guild that cost us around 40 mil in items (if you haven’t been hacked you have no idea what this does your faith in the game)

2nd The game had gotten very boring and we knew the patch wouldn’t be coming

3rd We thought we could help and it wasn’t limited to TU

A GM a very nice GM gave their account to a friend of ours <<<<<<<<how messed up is that, but who are we to refuse such and offer

So you get to play god, but where do you start?

Well the first thing we did was just run around and spawn a few mobs here and there, we got bored of that and we nearly got caught spawning a ZT in the Wooma Temple lol

So we had to think of somewhere better and the mystery cave was just about the best place there could be for something like this, so for 1 week we spent a couple of hours per night killing boss mobs in the Mystery cave.

First few nights nothing exciting happened and we would regularly go to mongchon and drop rare books and items all over the place, some people must of though Christmas had come on one occasion I left lvl 28+ books in and around Mudwall.

The first time we got a mace we were overjoyed we had about 6 in total and they were mostly sold and traded, I think 3 went to the guild, most of the items in the guild were bought, hey why not we were rich and if we dispersed the items throughout MIR there were no grounds for removing the items that TU members had.

We got a protection ring (very nice just what I always wanted) we got a violet ring <<<<<<<<wtf not even in the manual

Then and I think this was the downfall we got 3 DragonSlayers, at that point Toobad wanted/needed to be level 34.

We also found out that you could lvl all your spells to lvl 3 (imagine lvl 3 lightening, thunderstorm, turn undead, magic shield they all worked a treat now. I wish now I had abused it to level up I could have had level 3 icestorm that would of ruled

We always cleaned up all the drops so we now had 20 - 30 gold bars and nowhere to put them so we bought another account and levelled it up to lvl 10, we then stuck all the gold in there along with a lot of level 30+ weapons.

We weren't greedy so if we sold something and someone wanted to pay XX gold for it i.e. half-moon "I really need it but I only have 200k" well 200k it was and if we knew you it was often free (you know who u are)

I gave people money to start guilds, money to pay for the horn, dropped items all over the place for people to find.

On occasions I would see people that had been ripped off in a deal or lost items due to hacking these people I would single out and give them replacement items (you know who you are)

We never duplicated any of the items, which is an accusation that has been levelled at us, we never respawned the archers the fun stopped long before we got Sabuk.

There are duplicated items in the game I have even been told by another guild leader how to do it (for some reason we said we wouldn’t duplicate items).

The characters they deleted were the ones that traded directly with the GM so it leads me to believe that the GM can help out as long as you don’t trade directly them as that is logged.

I make no apology for what we did and we fully believe that a lot more people would have quit before now had we not spiced it up, I do apologise to the people who believed in me, up until this incident I would never of considered getting involved in such a thing (I knew how to duplicate items but never got involved) but I had almost quit previously through boredom and this kept me going.

I guess the only thing left to say is goodbye (though I don’t feel we broke the rules the GM did I feel sure we will be deleted). The reason this hasn’t been posted already is that I have been awaiting a decision by MAPO. I can say I had fun out of MIR and I would like to thank a lot of people for that. It would take too long to name them all anyone who knows me will know who they are when I say “get as much enjoyment out of what’s left of this game, we know what we put in and in a moment of madness I blew it but hey no regrets” I don’t blame the makers it was the first stab at an online game and it held so much promise at the beginning, lack of support and lack of new ideas where what led to a lot of the problems in the game.

One last point and a point to ponder, MAPO had a meeting yesterday and a decision was made about this, this decision was changed when Guinty started posting because they wanted to keep it quiet.

I will be perusing WEMADE for a refund of my subscription because we have not broken any rules and they have broken our contract and infringed my consumer rights.

Cubass - Wizard
Pricee - Warrior
Leader of TheUndecided®

Edited by - MikeHunt on 12/19/2001 18:52:26

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Dragon Server
SlayaWar War lvl 28
XxXSlayaWizXxX Wiz lvl 22
Phoenix Server
SlayaTao Tao lvl 17

The only problem I have is that the Gm's could have notified us of the investigation earlier or just mention it when people complained. At least now we see something has been done, keep it up guys, but give us some info when we complain.

Cheers

TAGRED LVL29 Warrior (not arrogant or ignorant!)

All i goto say, but then again no one ever takes notice of little slim jim do they ? ah well, nice work all mir staff !

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Legend of MIR
Senior Community Manager

What was done was to undermine what other players have achieved thru hard work, spending a lot of time and effort on the game.
The problem goes deeper than what is said so far....
- Some players has "inside information" about a lot of things, like where to go for items or profit or solve the puzzles in mir.
- The blether items than other players has got, has made it possible to level the character faster then those that is honest.
- Even the items that the involved parties got the ”normal” way are achieved thru having advice from GM's and good equipment.

So how to do correct this as far as possible?
- Delete those that are behind and involved in the fraud.
- Take back all the weapons that are passed down in anyway.
- Those that has bought items in good fait shod get the mir gold refunded, but the item shod be taken back.
- Those in The Undecided that got more experience this way shod loos all experience archived from the start of the fraud (hard but fair).
- The Guild it self shod be terminated since this was the arena and involved the leaders of TU.
- The Cavalieri Templari guild and The Holy Order shod be compensated for their losses. Not only for archers but also for all the expenses the guild members have had in the two wars fought over Sabuk Wall. A member would use in the area of 100k – 250k on a war.
- Times and places for re spawn of higher mobs shod be changed so the game is the same for all players.
- GM’s are NOT to give inside information. Information shall be on WebPages for all to see.

There must be done something about items just vanishing from characters storage or inventory. That also involves the problem with hacked accounts. The security must be better and the logging of items better. It is NOT good enough when mir management don’t want to replace items the game itself has “stolen”!

If the trust, balance and finely fun is not restored, I guess a lot of us will leave.

Shame on those who has wrecked the fun for the rest of us!

Dr. Livingstone

- Lost in time and space –

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asmo i still think that malerin did it with good intentions and the isn't to be blaimed, i am sure that if you had a gm account you would abuse it 2. the developers should have thought about this and rather than making one client for both gm's and regular players make a client for gm's and one for players this way this never would have happened. btw who cares about the items one guild gets it should have been a reason for the others to play more and try to get better items, it would have been for me i liked cubass, toobad,benin,... and i still like them maybe more than before as they now again proved that the developers suck.
i think mir is one of the best games i ever played even without updates (i never really cared about updates anyway) but i won't 'play' (might connect to chat) mir anymore unless wemade fires all the gm's (i lost my account almost 4 months ago gm's know and the only gm who tried to help was malerin, i got a mail from mapo saying that if the new owner payed for the account that i couldn't have it back but even when it was clear that the new owner didnt pay for the account and only said he would pay so he could abuse the account for 10 days i still couldn't get my account back in fact they wouldn't even answer me anymore (except malerin)

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TheDominion

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The Brotherhood of Steel

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Senior Community Manager

*** Have no fear!!! Your hero is here!!! ***

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Hawklord
The Brotherhood of Steel

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