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Kristel Average Member United Kingdom 564 Posts	Posted - 09/25/2001 : 16:56:55 quote: Is this a question of how we play Tao then. According to the first model (lets gets theoretical here) Tao should be able to deal out both DC and MC. These means we should be looking at a monsters weakness and seeing if we need to target with DC or MC. Thus making the response: DC vs weak AC creatures: quick but not as quick as a warrior SC vs weak MAC creatures: quick but not as quick as a wizard Scytale. Yes that's exactly how I see it. The only problem is that we have no really offensive Spells to use to target MAC. Soul Fireball is a bit of a dissapointment, even though I do believe, out of all our possible attacks, it delivers the most hitting force in a single blow. ----------------------- Kristel clear! - at least, I hope I was 제발 영적인 향도 종류를 도우십시요. 우리는 필요안에 이어다 !
Kristel Average Member United Kingdom 564 Posts	Posted - 09/25/2001 : 17:24:59 Oh this gets batter! Have you seen the new weapons stats on the Korean Pages? Soul Spring Wand: (Before / After) Weight: 15 / 15 Dura: 25 / 25 DC: 8-16 / 2-18 SC: 2-4 / 2-4 Req: Lvl 30 / SC25 Special: none / "Lion Shock" (??) +4 (I hate babblefish) Warriors got extra DC on some weapons, and the ability to use dragon sword at a lower level. Mage got DC knocked off their staff (like they use it to hit things anyway) and 0-1MC. EDIT Also, where does SC25 come from? Plat rings: SC 0-8 (total) req SC17 Serpent Sword: SC1-3 Armour: SC 0-2 Natural: SC 2-3 Hemlet: NA Soul Necklace: SC 1-6 req SC23 Soul Brace: SC 1-2 req SC24 All those added only makes SC24 Are we getting a Natural SC Boost? Or maybe an extra bracelet slot? or do we just have to get a monk temporarily? Hmmm.... I think we have to just wear a bracer in the amulet slot then take it off. End EDIT --------------------------------------------------------- Now for the new weapons. Two for the warrior, compared side by side. Weight: 48 / 99 Dura: 32 / 33 DC: 12-16 / 5-35 Req: Lvl 35 / 34 Special: NA Well, I can't see a Warrior ever using a DC 12-16 weapon, and at weight 48, way too heavy for a Tao (I can carry W27 weapon I think at lvl25. Anyone have any more details?) Two look Wizardish: Weight: 18 / 10 Dura: 20 / 28 DC: 6-12 / 6-13 MC: 1-6 / 2-10 Req: Lvl 35 / 35 Special: NA Okay - seeing a pattern here. There seems to be one useless weapon and one good weapon each so far. No doubt the weaker one will be quite common. And the Tao gets: Weight: 40 Dura: 22 DC: 8-20 SC: 3-5 Req: Lvl 35 Special: Acc+1 So where's our Good weapon? You know? Like the SC 5-10 DC 15-20 one? ----------------------- Kristel clear! - at least, I hope I was 제발 영적인 향도 종류를 도우십시요. 우리는 필요안에 이어다 ! Edited by - Kristel on 09/25/2001 17:55:31 Edited by - Kristel on 09/25/2001 19:02:49 Edited by - Kristel on 09/25/2001 19:08:03
Adrynel Junior Member United Kingdom 138 Posts	Posted - 09/25/2001 : 18:27:52 quote: Also, where does SC25 come from? Plat rings: SC 0-8 (total) req SC17 Serpent Sword: SC1-3 Armour: SC 0-2 Natural: SC 0-2 Hemlet: NA Soul Necklace: SC 1-6 req SC23 Soul Brace: SC 1-2 req SC24 All those added only makes SC23 Are we getting a Natural SC Boost? Or maybe an extra bracelet slot? Actually, (having attack of dumb blonde here) how is it we get SC17 for the plat rings? Does natural SC go up at some point? I do believe your SC does increase every few levels or so, my natural SC is 2-3, obviously higher than it was when I started the game. I havent really noticed when the SC boost comes, I believe one came around level 17 though with a boost of 1-1 SC though. Taoist of the 23rd Level - Adrynel AncientAngels Guild Member
Kristel Average Member United Kingdom 564 Posts	Posted - 09/25/2001 : 18:52:43 Silly me. My natural SC is 2-3 too. That still leaves us one short though. I guess we could put a monk on temporarily instead of an amulet. I corrected the origional post - thanks! ----------------------- Kristel clear! - at least, I hope I was 제발 영적인 향도 종류를 도우십시요. 우리는 필요안에 이어다 ! Edited by - Kristel on 09/25/2001 19:03:30
Neoleash Junior Member Denmark 150 Posts	Posted - 09/25/2001 : 20:05:16 Oh im soooooo fed up with my lovely lvl27 Tao. Annoyed to see lower lvl wiz and wars going to places i dont stand a chance to survive. Annoyed to see that theres nothing to look forward too. Annoyed that we dont have any multi target attack thingie(another thing they forgot to give us). Annoyed that this game, the very first game i've ever payed to play online, and the people behind it dont give a rats arse about a growing community within the game trying to help them improve a class that needs it. Annoyed that hiding only works perfectly 1 out of 10 times. Im soo annoyed that im downloading that Helbreath game that they have talked about in Chronicles forum. Its still in free beta, so im gonna check it out. From what i can read, its already IN beta way better than Mir, so im probally gonna put my money there in the future. Mir is a big dissapointment now that the patch details are out. They where kinda the last hope that things could be better in the future. -------------------------------------------------- 이 페이지를 찾을 수 없습니다. Edited by - Neoleash on 09/25/2001 20:06:52
js7 Junior Member 258 Posts	Posted - 09/25/2001 : 20:20:46 quote: Silly me. My natural SC is 2-3 too. That still leaves us one short though. I guess we could put a monk on temporarily instead of an amulet. I corrected the origional post - thanks! ----------------------- Kristel clear! - at least, I hope I was 제발 영적인 향도 종류를 도우십시요. 우리는 필요안에 이어다 ! Edited by - Kristel on 09/25/2001 19:03:30 would seem to be consistent with the way Taoists are being treated... 'Hell, Taoists have it way too easy swapping an amulet and poison bag, so lets not fix that problem, lets ask them to make a 3 way swap instead!' Gits.
DivAvenger Average Member Finland 823 Posts	Posted - 09/25/2001 : 20:23:02 ...btw we get an DC1-1 and SC1-1 bonus at 28 and 35 as well. DivAvenger level 34 Taoist 1 more level to go ... then I can put this tao in some closet and forget about him, cause Im starting to get sick of being about as powerful as a warrior 10 levels below me, and we aint getting any improvements .
Kristel Average Member United Kingdom 564 Posts	Posted - 09/25/2001 : 20:32:27 From what I gather they haven't listened. They are too busy with other things like people speed cheating to have time for the honest players. ----------------------- Kristel clear! - at least, I hope I was 제발 영적인 향도 종류를 도우십시요. 우리는 필요안에 이어다 ! Edited by - Kristel on 09/25/2001 21:35:08
Mercz Moderator USA 1225 Posts	Posted - 09/25/2001 : 20:41:19 Really?!! Wow! At this stage, a 1-1 DC and SC increase is like heaven!! AHHH! MUST GET TO 28!! 10% to go...Got to do it...waah
Archeon Advanced Member United Kingdom 2672 Posts	Posted - 09/25/2001 : 20:58:32 Don't lose faith Krystal if you stop than tao vioces everywhere will be extingushed I say you just copy this entire post onto an e-mail and send 25 copys to the GM's demanding a response ^_- Hell if this topic goes who am i going to be jelous of Its The Simplist Things In Life That Often Make Us The Happiest
Tricky Game Master Netherlands 921 Posts	Posted - 09/25/2001 : 21:24:29 quote: ...btw we get an DC1-1 and SC1-1 bonus at 28 and 35 as well. I just noticed that 2 days after I reached lvl28. All the tiny bits help and so does this. I'm not saying that I feel we're strong enough(for the people start reading this thread right here). I need 6 papercuts to kill a zombie, don't know how much it was before but it seemed to go a bit faster. I asked for a translation of the LionStrike+4 that was added to the SS Wand in Korea and it means inten+4 (omg, wow) That's A.speed +8, so they're indeed changing some things about the Taoist. I hope that once the patch is released we will see a lot more SS wand in the game. I need to tell you something that most of you seem to forget. Although Korea is ahead of us, that doesn't mean we'll have to wait as long for everything they have. 10 October we get new items and new stats (HP/MP regen) added to current items. Korea doesn't have this yet, so that proves that we'll see some things they're also still waiting for.. I'm gonna try tommorow if I can get some details on new items in the next patch. Can't promise you anything but I'm gonna try.. /Tricky Like I said, I never repeat myself. Level Up!
Kristel Average Member United Kingdom 564 Posts	Posted - 09/25/2001 : 21:38:00 Ah! So that is what it means. Inten+4 = Attack speed boost. This is more like it. A weapon with lower DC that lets you hit faster should make things a little better for us. Actually, a lot better. We can do smaller amounts of damage, but do it in a comparable time frame to a char that does considerable damage in one shot. Thanks for the olive branch Internal Staff. It's a start. ----------------------- Kristel clear! - at least, I hope I was 제발 영적인 향도 종류를 도우십시요. 우리는 필요안에 이어다 !
tucker Junior Member United Kingdom 207 Posts	Posted - 09/25/2001 : 21:50:47 well only 5 more lvls till i get a bloody well needed improvement!!!!!!!!!!! grrrrrr ffs! a bloody wizard at lvl 18 can solo in wooma/zuma effectively i could solo as effectively in wooma/zuma at like 25ish!!! wtf these gm's trying to tell us! why not just tell us their scrapping the taois and swapping for another god type bloody class! grrrrrrrr fecking so p1ssed offf!!!! biuret lvl bloody 24 tao - TIC Spirit Slayer Dont hate yourself in the morning - sleep till noon!!!
LStell01 New Member United Kingdom 87 Posts	Posted - 09/25/2001 : 22:49:15 The way I see it, the main problem is that there are three types of attack in Mir; DC, MC, and SC. Yet SC isn't treated as a direct attack power, but as something which adds a small amount to an MC attack or more usually a support ability. At the moment the increase in power it gives doesn't seem to be good enough at certain lvls (22-35 mainly), and should have a more direct effect on the ability, not just increasing its duration. I would also have to say that many of the ideas in this thread seem good for now, but may make the character too strong later (we can only hope!) but there are some which the majority of ppl agree with and I think would greatly assist Taos get to the soloing ability of the War/Wiz: 1. Add an extra 2 slots on the inventory, 1 for poison, 1 for amulets 2.Poison should be %age based, ie grey taking 10, 20, 30, 40% of current HP and yellow decreasing defenses by suitable %ages of the mob's total 3.It seems to have been forgotten after a few pages of this thread that Taos, being the most like a priest in other RPGs should be the ones who have turn undead 4.Possibly my own suggestion (I stopped reading @ about p6) a skill like spirit swordsmanship which increases DC based on SC if an SAC would be too difficult to introduce The early bird may get the worm, but the second mouse gets the cheese
js7 Junior Member 258 Posts	Posted - 09/25/2001 : 22:53:00 quote: I asked for a translation of the LionStrike+4 that was added to the SS Wand in Korea and it means inten+4 (omg, wow) That's A.speed +8, so they're indeed changing some things about the Taoist. I hope that once the patch is released we will see a lot more SS wand in the game. Hi Tricky, and thanks for your support! There had better be a lot more SS wands around because for sure we'll not be strong enough to solo the mobs that'll drop them at that level... all we're likely to see is high level warriors and wizs who can do so getting them and then ripping us off for them..... Actually, I'm just making a point there... I doubt there are many taoists who aren't friendly with enough other folks to be able to try for their own! Jupitus Level 23 Taoist Determined to carry on.....
Kristel Average Member United Kingdom 564 Posts	Posted - 09/25/2001 : 23:13:32 Wanna know what you have to wear to get the SS wand though folks? Forst you need these: Expel (or moral) rings - 2 monk Braces - Soul armour - Bamboo pipe - Serpent sword (several million gold) - +Natural SC. To get into the platinum rings that sell for 200K or so a pop. Then, you need to stump up an extra 0-1 Sc from somewhere (natural boost lvl 28) to put on 3rd eye braces - two of them. Then, you need the Plat rings - S.Sword - Bamboo - 3rd eye braces (only ever seen one in the game) - armour+natural to get into the Soul necklace (again only ever seen one). This finally gives you the SC to put on a Soul Spring wand. To tally, you ALL the following rare items to wear a S.Spring wand: 1x Serpent sword 2x Platinum rings 2x 3rd Eye bracelets 1x Soul Necklace I don't think it will happen any time this side of lvl 35 for me, unless the patch helps. I can't even afford one platinum ring. The only class I've seen with really high weapons in line with soul spring wands are warriors. Seen a number of Judgement maces. Never noticed a Wiz with a blood stealer or a Tao with Soul Spring wand. ----------------------- Kristel clear! - at least, I hope I was 제발 영적인 향도 종류를 도우십시요. 우리는 필요안에 이어다 !
LStell01 New Member United Kingdom 87 Posts	Posted - 09/25/2001 : 23:48:29 I've been reading through some more of the topics (about to start p10 now!!) and from what I've seen I think us Taos should go on strike! At least till we get some response on this - they're saying that we get to use either poison or amulets and either skelly or shinsu, so there's 4 skills cut down to 2 @ any 1 time - not like it'll do any good, we'll just be ignored like this thread has been for over a month. And as for skelly not keeping exp, K fine if it's cus he died but what about the ppl on all day I.C. tariffs where they get cut off after 2hrs?! Probably wouldn't be able to get shinsu up to any good lvl in that time. At the very least SC should be made an attacking stat in its own right, as Taos shouldn't be a War/Wiz cross but a separate char. As for some ppl who say that beta testing is for fixing the balnce of chars, we're paying for this now and I don't feel very balanced. Not to say that I don't like my Tao, it's been great, just a little slow recently, and I'm only @ lvl18 so I've not had to go to the time and cost of lvling skelly yet. The early bird may get the worm, but the second mouse gets the cheese
Mercz Moderator USA 1225 Posts	Posted - 09/25/2001 : 23:52:33 reads Kristel's explanation on how to get the SC required to equip the SSwand O_o hugs his cheap Purifier Well, ive only seen 1 person with a Soulspring wand (Jonesy, I think his name was) and one with a Bloodstealer, but then again, I have only seen 2 with Judgement Maces. But guys, the patch will definitely help (IT BETTER!) As Chronos once said, that as the game goes on, what we thought are rare items, wont be so rare anymore. Now as new weapons come, like...those on the Korean page, its not logical for weapons like Serpent swords and mage staffs to only be dropped by ZT, ZG, WT etc. Regular Zumas need to start dropping them at low probability. Or else we are going to be so....DEAD!
Kristel Average Member United Kingdom 564 Posts	Posted - 09/25/2001 : 23:53:21 Good luck my friend. All I can say is that if you choose to continue your Tao, then levelling up summon is worth every gold coin you can spare! A lvl 5 skelly (made from getting a lvl2 Skelly to level up) if really getting good. Still nothing compared to a swarm of black maggots or Tongues as I've been noticing recently! A Skelly should not loose EXP when you disconnect, only when it dies. ----------------------- Kristel clear! - at least, I hope I was 제발 영적인 향도 종류를 도우십시요. 우리는 필요안에 이어다 !
Darko2 Junior Member 154 Posts	Posted - 09/26/2001 : 09:03:14 [edit] My bad... some lousy math on my part here deleted =)[/edit] But the point is that SC is just a disguised MC, not sure what they were thinking... Played with the poison a bit with SC 16, using it on my skelly. It is powerful, I just wish we could use them. Well, we could, but forget about hiding, blessed armour and such silly spells... Or practice f9f10clicmoveclickf9f10 to infinity... If they at least made those windows smaller, so we can keep them open in some corner or something? And, correct me if I'm wrong, but... I think that it doesn't matter if you cast blessed armour after the mob hits you (or change to DC items), because server uses stats that were yours at the beginning of the fight? I'm almost 100% about that, I used to poison with SC items equiped and then switch to DC items when I was 15-16, I didn't see much difference, unless I switched to DC before I hit the mob (or mob hits me). RentAHeal Edited by - Darko2 on 09/26/2001 09:04:58 Edited by - Darko2 on 09/26/2001 09:22:42
Kristel Average Member United Kingdom 564 Posts	Posted - 09/26/2001 : 10:10:08 Oh couldn't be surely? It would be very bad form to use the stats from when the fight starts, not from the ones you are using. ----------------------- Kristel clear! - at least, I hope I was 제발 영적인 향도 종류를 도우십시요. 우리는 필요안에 이어다 !
Kristel Average Member United Kingdom 564 Posts	Posted - 09/26/2001 : 10:29:55 This is a post from Damuzza in the Chronicles: My life as a taoist suxs! I am a lvl 26.5 tao and i find that it is getting increasing difficult to lvl up i have been to every temple every mine and every cave and i am still getting low exp i get the same exp as a lvl 28 warrior which in my opinion is wrong as he is 2 lvls higher than me and still get the same exp as i do. In my opinion all GM's and geoff before he left says the classes are balanced as Jim Royle say Balanced my arse! I was chatting today to a lvl 28 warrior who had onlt been playing the game 6 weeks and has already passed me but 1 1/2 lvls to my dismay in only the half the time i took to get to lvl 26. At lvl 26 i expected things to change with revelation and the ability to have a lvl 7 skelly but no things have gotten worse i have poor DC and AC but have strong MAC wtf uses a MAC attack? Mage zombies i hear you say does that mean i have to spend my life in the mines and become a zombie myself. I can go to ZT but it is soo crowded in there with alot of taos so i try bug cave and get slaughtered, ST is doable but only in moderation as it cost so much for me i need large HP/MP and these cost 3750gp per 1 i take 10 (5 of each) with me each trip so that 37K for 1 trip of wht 2-3% exp where as a warrior can take half that and goto BC and get the same exp and in a shorter time. IS this balanced? Most ppl will say that i cant use my character properly but believe me i can and i use it very effectively all my skills are maxed ( at my lvl) except SS and Revelation as i use these the least. I can fight as well as any warrior surrounded maybe better as i use less hp and can fight more mobs (hiding ) but if i run out of amulets i am fuked as i can die easily, eg. i was in wooma temple and ran out of amulets agains 3 wooma warrior and i died quite quickly even with heal/HP and skel. With the new patches introduced i expected a boost for the tao at least in certain ways as we are a Soul Class but our attacks are weak and our dc is weaker i pity a tao who goes all SC when soloing. At lvl 26 i can carry a martial comfortable but a warrior can carry this at lvl 18 (lvl restriction stops this ) i know they are meant to carry more but Taos are designed to be a halfcast of warrior and wizard so i expected a descent ability to cast and a descent ability to fight but our carry weight sux i mean a lvl 27-28 wizard can carry a kriss sword this is wrong as they should not be able to carry anything heavy as they do not need weapons for melee due to low HP so why can they carry weapons at a weight of 20 at lvl 28. i have worked out my carrying ability increases by 1 erach lvl so at lvl 39 i can carry a poweraxe but i doubt i will see this lvl due to the lvling ability of a tao. Anyway i digress with the new patch i expected to see a boost for the tao in one form or another SC/DC but we get neither, howevfer i do see that in December patch on korean website that SS wand losed 2 DC and the Jmace gains 3DC (0-33) hhhmmmmm this makes sense weaking the tao moreso and give the warrior more power. Yes, i expect a post saying warriors are melee fighter but u forget taos are created for both so why cant we get some decent weapons for a change the bloodstealer sword for example has acc of +5 why do wizards needs this they donot fight at close range this weapon should have gone to the tao as we need the acc in order to fight close range and actually be worthwhile playing as atm i am getting sick of struggling to lvl up. In december we have been given a glimpse of wht is expected but yet again i see no mention of a boost for taos, Which strikes me as odd due to the size and length of Kristels post on how we sux and how we need a boost. I can see it now ppl flaming me for this sayign we are the best class as we can heal and hide and other stuff but as for that well think about it, Warriors hack slash there way up the lvl's. Wizards well go look at the attacking spells they have Tbolt, Thunderstorm, Ice Blast etc the list goes on. As for this game i paid for 3 months as i expect to play for those 3 months but i wonder if i will as the taos as far as iam concerened were put in in order to actually make it the 3 heros the toas character has had good ideas put it to it but we have had little thought on how effective we will be as we only have high MAC which no mobs use atm but Tricky has said EvilCnt uses it and that is our mob but it in middle of BC how the FUK do we get to it without losing half of our supplies. A boost is needed for the taos this wouldn't be difficult to perform as it could be done in various ways a spell a patch of evn a subtle update of the character. As for using my skills to help ppl i will only help my friend in game and nobody else if anybody ask for a heal/rev on pets then the will recieve a cold shoulder. Before you ask i am not in a guild but i expect to join one soon in order to get anywhere in this game i have a guild selected as a friend of mine is in this guild and is a lvl 28 tao and she has actually been helped by this guild i am not saying which guild did this but i exect them to become powerful quite quickly due to there ability to lvl up player and get there loyalty for doing this, if i do join this guild and lvl they will recieve my loyalty and friendship. Any way this is my vent other taos have had theres but i wanted to vent mine "life is Just a game" "Death is only the Beginning" ----------------------- Kristel clear! - at least, I hope I was 제발 영적인 향도 종류를 도우십시요. 우리는 필요안에 이어다 !
ZorbaTheGeek Starting Member 27 Posts	Posted - 09/26/2001 : 10:36:14 Woohoo.. Got my Soul Paper Cut last night. I do have atip for changing poison over though. Open your bag and "paper doll" (Soz UO term) Pull your bag off the bottom right hand corner. Then drag the "paper doll" over the top. Place your poison in the nearest bag slot to the left brace. The shorter change over mouse movement speeds the swap considerably, and with both windows bottom right of the screen it covers less of the display (so you can still see what you are doing). Changes "F9F10 click MOOOOVE click F9F10" to "F9F10 click click F9F10".. I'm practicing.. Zorba, L18 Tao +***************************************+- Progression is measured to men from boys, By the size and complexity of their toys.
js7 Junior Member 258 Posts	Posted - 09/26/2001 : 10:44:14 quote: Woohoo.. Got my Soul Paper Cut last night. I do have atip for changing poison over though. Open your bag and "paper doll" (Soz UO term) Pull your bag off the bottom right hand corner. Then drag the "paper doll" over the top. Place your poison in the nearest bag slot to the left brace. The shorter change over mouse movement speeds the swap considerably, and with both windows bottom right of the screen it covers less of the display (so you can still see what you are doing). Changes "F9F10 click MOOOOVE click F9F10" to "F9F10 click click F9F10".. I'm practicing.. Zorba, L18 Tao +***************************************+- Progression is measured to men from boys, By the size and complexity of their toys. Hey Zorba... thanks alot for the tip... however, if I place these in the bottom right hand corner I wont be able to see my experience bar rushing upwards!!!
scytale Junior Member Germany 146 Posts	Posted - 09/26/2001 : 10:52:39 Kristel, please keep as the voice of Tao and help us start a tao only guild. That way we can band together and make our voice seriously hear when we have a respectable number of members. http://www.livewiregames.net/forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=22592 scytale.
Neil the Blood New Member United Kingdom 67 Posts	Posted - 09/26/2001 : 11:16:15 Taoists have the rough end of the deal - FULL STOP Ideas- Higher level skills: Steal hp and mp- from other players and monsters. Reversion, all attacks are reversed on to the attacker (it gets all the damage) Mass Skeliton- nuff said 3 skel's Taoist's should have 1 very powerful spell- which drains loads mp, but is as hard as a wiz spell with the same level. Taoist's also have been given the ability to block paths- so why not give us the power to make a temperary wall? Do something soon mir makers Neil the Blood
Kristel Average Member United Kingdom 564 Posts	Posted - 09/26/2001 : 12:55:13 Okay folks! Enough of me feeling sorry for myself over the lack of Tao help in the new patch. Lets get back to what the topic is really about - suggestions. Let's hope that some of what we say is heeded by the staff at Mir HQ. NtB - I love the Mass Skeleton idea. Wizards have 5 pets, warriors have none. One pet for the Tao is hardly the middle ground :) Its a well know fact that skellys are more powerful than wizard pets, so I'd suggest that mass skel can summon two at once, with the first being your trusty lvl 3 skelly, and the second one leveling up as mass skel levels. I'd also suggest at lvl 45ish, Mass summon where you can have a skelly and a shinsu together. Or, as an alternative, I think that maybe as shinsu can't really be killed by physical attacks, it would make sence that your skelly is very strong against magic. And since you can only have one or the other it would be okay..... We also need a call button to get our pets back to us, and not wandering around like a dizzy woodlouse behind a wall somewhere. ----------------------- Kristel clear! - at least, I hope I was 제발 영적인 향도 종류를 도우십시요. 우리는 필요안에 이어다 !
dunno Starting Member Australia 1 Posts	Posted - 09/26/2001 : 13:45:06 my idea 4 new tao spell i think tao need a new spell at about lvl 24 and i think it should b a summon spell. In the mir intro video at 1:05 u see 1 of the things the warrior kills is rideing a .... creature i think tao should b able 2 summon them 2 ride on maybe 4 there group 2. thay should take some of the damage froum atacking mob and atack the mob the that its rider is atacking and b able 2 run without haveing 2 take a few steps maybe run faster 2 WhiteTaoists lvl 21 tao Dragon server
Aligatoras New Member Greece 96 Posts	Posted - 09/26/2001 : 13:58:47 quote: This is a post from Damuzza in the Chronicles: My life as a taoist suxs! I am a lvl 26.5 tao and i find that it is getting increasing difficult to lvl up i have been to every temple every mine and every cave and i am still getting low exp i get the same exp as a lvl 28 warrior which in my opinion is wrong as he is 2 lvls higher than me and still get the same exp as i do. In my opinion all GM's and geoff before he left says the classes are balanced as Jim Royle say Balanced my arse! I was chatting today to a lvl 28 warrior who had onlt been playing the game 6 weeks and has already passed me but 1 1/2 lvls to my dismay in only the half the time i took to get to lvl 26. At lvl 26 i expected things to change with revelation and the ability to have a lvl 7 skelly but no things have gotten worse i have poor DC and AC but have strong MAC wtf uses a MAC attack? Mage zombies i hear you say does that mean i have to spend my life in the mines and become a zombie myself. I can go to ZT but it is soo crowded in there with alot of taos so i try bug cave and get slaughtered, ST is doable but only in moderation as it cost so much for me i need large HP/MP and these cost 3750gp per 1 i take 10 (5 of each) with me each trip so that 37K for 1 trip of wht 2-3% exp where as a warrior can take half that and goto BC and get the same exp and in a shorter time. IS this balanced? Most ppl will say that i cant use my character properly but believe me i can and i use it very effectively all my skills are maxed ( at my lvl) except SS and Revelation as i use these the least. I can fight as well as any warrior surrounded maybe better as i use less hp and can fight more mobs (hiding ) but if i run out of amulets i am fuked as i can die easily, eg. i was in wooma temple and ran out of amulets agains 3 wooma warrior and i died quite quickly even with heal/HP and skel. With the new patches introduced i expected a boost for the tao at least in certain ways as we are a Soul Class but our attacks are weak and our dc is weaker i pity a tao who goes all SC when soloing. At lvl 26 i can carry a martial comfortable but a warrior can carry this at lvl 18 (lvl restriction stops this ) i know they are meant to carry more but Taos are designed to be a halfcast of warrior and wizard so i expected a descent ability to cast and a descent ability to fight but our carry weight sux i mean a lvl 27-28 wizard can carry a kriss sword this is wrong as they should not be able to carry anything heavy as they do not need weapons for melee due to low HP so why can they carry weapons at a weight of 20 at lvl 28. i have worked out my carrying ability increases by 1 erach lvl so at lvl 39 i can carry a poweraxe but i doubt i will see this lvl due to the lvling ability of a tao. Anyway i digress with the new patch i expected to see a boost for the tao in one form or another SC/DC but we get neither, howevfer i do see that in December patch on korean website that SS wand losed 2 DC and the Jmace gains 3DC (0-33) hhhmmmmm this makes sense weaking the tao moreso and give the warrior more power. Yes, i expect a post saying warriors are melee fighter but u forget taos are created for both so why cant we get some decent weapons for a change the bloodstealer sword for example has acc of +5 why do wizards needs this they donot fight at close range this weapon should have gone to the tao as we need the acc in order to fight close range and actually be worthwhile playing as atm i am getting sick of struggling to lvl up. In december we have been given a glimpse of wht is expected but yet again i see no mention of a boost for taos, Which strikes me as odd due to the size and length of Kristels post on how we sux and how we need a boost. I can see it now ppl flaming me for this sayign we are the best class as we can heal and hide and other stuff but as for that well think about it, Warriors hack slash there way up the lvl's. Wizards well go look at the attacking spells they have Tbolt, Thunderstorm, Ice Blast etc the list goes on. As for this game i paid for 3 months as i expect to play for those 3 months but i wonder if i will as the taos as far as iam concerened were put in in order to actually make it the 3 heros the toas character has had good ideas put it to it but we have had little thought on how effective we will be as we only have high MAC which no mobs use atm but Tricky has said EvilCnt uses it and that is our mob but it in middle of BC how the FUK do we get to it without losing half of our supplies. A boost is needed for the taos this wouldn't be difficult to perform as it could be done in various ways a spell a patch of evn a subtle update of the character. As for using my skills to help ppl i will only help my friend in game and nobody else if anybody ask for a heal/rev on pets then the will recieve a cold shoulder. Before you ask i am not in a guild but i expect to join one soon in order to get anywhere in this game i have a guild selected as a friend of mine is in this guild and is a lvl 28 tao and she has actually been helped by this guild i am not saying which guild did this but i exect them to become powerful quite quickly due to there ability to lvl up player and get there loyalty for doing this, if i do join this guild and lvl they will recieve my loyalty and friendship. Any way this is my vent other taos have had theres but i wanted to vent mine "life is Just a game" "Death is only the Beginning" ----------------------- Kristel clear! - at least, I hope I was 제발 영적인 향도 종류를 도우십시요. 우리는 필요안에 이어다 ! He has wrong about one think: life isnt suck as lvl26 Tao. Life sucks for all Tao lvls (even 35lvl, i didnt saw somethink that it gives us a boost, that "dogie" sucked). I dont think Seperent sword helps cause it suck itself as weapon. It is just a "must" think to brag your lvl and wealth. I ll make one more time that dam weapons comparing think to saw you how sucky weapon Serpent sword is. Tao's weapons Vs Warrior's weapons: ...Bla...bla...bla... Warrior have to chose from 2 weapons with DC 0-25 and 10-13 ...bla...bla...bla... Purifier does always damage and Great axe does huge damage from time to time. The dilema is clear you want to kill for sure or you wanna bet that you can kill it today ...Bla...bla...bla... Serpent sword is more rare than an active GM (if someone is still out there and read those topics). But lets say i m lucky and got one of those "well crafted" Swords. DC 7-14, nothink great cause those warriors above have Maxed slaying and training on Thrusting (oh i almost forgot that Tao have maxed his SoulPaperCut. Woooohooo!!!) ...Bla...bla...bla... Seems GMs giving the Tao's the "Stolen" acc from spiritsword... and a HUGE SC 1-3. Hurray!!! Nothink seems that weapon is speacialized for a Tao (cant do neither way (DC,SC) "descent" damage. Most Taos use Purifiers and those have none SC on em and NO acc+ too. This weapon is good to solo at oma caves, with acc13 rarely miss a hit there If Tao use Martial Sword he ll have a "weaker" Seprent Sword with NO SC and acc, but he ll use that dam Martial cause is his only solution at the moment. Tao's weapons Vs Wizzard's weapons: ...Bla...bla...bla... Mage staff gives MC 2-5 (better than SC 1-3) ....bla...bla...bla... a weapon that is specialized for Wizzards. ...Bla...bla...bla... No SC/acc if a Tao uses Martial Sword but cant find a better ...bla...bla...bla... ONLY (comparing to mage staff) SC 1-3 at Serpent sword some descent DC, but Wizzard have already maxed his TBolt, Great FB, Hellfire. I have wrote the above couple weeks ago. I ll repeat myself again Serpent sword isnt a good weapon is a "must" to brag your wealth and lvl (mostly wealth). Till i see some new skills/spells for Taos i ll reposting again and again till you add some or not. If not add some skills/spells is like you saying to me: "hey, you dont get it? We' ll not add/refine skills/spells. Go find another game that listen to their customers. You were so stupid cause you stayed here instead of play somethink else. This game is for Koreans made by Koreans, we only make the translation. We dont interfere even to simplest graffics, thats why shops have Korean signs." If you think the above isnt the truth prove it with work not words. Poisoning Blade a Taoist can summon the element of water into his sword for addictional damage (Is a skill so doesnt need shortcut key). It lvls each time you hit somethink with your sword. Hitting accuracy and destructive power will be increased in accordance with practice level. Lv.1 : you can practice from level 19. DC 1-1, acc+1 Lv.2 : you can practice from level 22. DC 1-2, acc+1 Lv.3 : you can practice from level 24. DC 2-1, acc+1 Meditation a Taoist can meditate and call spirits to add at his Zen power and improve his skills permanently. (is a skill so doesnt need to cast it all the time and it adds SC power). It lvls each time you cast a spell (healing, poisoning, hide, summon skel, mass hide etc). Lv.1 : you can practice from level 25. SC 2-0 Lv.2 : you can practice from level 27. SC 0-2 Lv.3 : you can practice from level 30. SC 2-2 Cunning a Taoist can improve his agility by training himself to avoid hits. You can lvl up this spell each time you get hit from an enemy. eg 1 recieved hit adds 1-3 exp to yur train. Lv.1 : you can practice from level 28. agil+1 Lv.2 : you can practice from level 31. agil+1 Lv.3 : you can practice from level 34. agil+2 Ressurection a Taoist can ressurect a dead player. Can't ressurect at contest grounds and it lvls each time you ressurect someone. The luck items helps the chance to ressurect. eg luck +1 at lvl3 rez gives 50%, luck +6 at lvl3 rez gives 100% and you can ressurect succesfully each time (and curse does the opposite). You can also selfressurect if you have enough mana (that is always succesfull) Lv.0 : 5% chance to ressurect, consumes 20MP, needs 60MP for selfrez Lv.1 : you can practice from level 28. 10% chance to ressurect, consumes 25MP, needs 70MP for selfrez Lv.2 : you can practice from level 31. 25% chance to ressurect, consumes 30MP, needs 80MP for selfrez Lv.3 : you can practice from level 34. 40% chance to ressurect, consumes 40MP, needs 90MP for selfrez *Addition* Did i forgot to tell you about "Healing", well then hear this: 5HP steps arent enough and need lot time to heal up a wounded person. So make it 10HP steps and add the "Heal" from different casts. eg 3 heals, 1rst step 10HP, 2nd step 20HP, 3rd-5th step 30HP, 6th step 20HP, 7th HP 10HP (total 7 steps and 150HP) normal that will need 30 steps. Yes, healing is not helping our DC too, cause when you heal yoursfelf or skelie during battle that turn count as "miss" to attacks, so in total may drop your DC average 1 or 2. Also its weak steps of 5HP are to low to help you even if 4-5 Bonewarriors find the target and make your HP go under half. Please reconcinder to make those steps 7 to 10 at least. Tab No. Thats no spell or even skill is that little button above CAPS LOCK (oops i press it) and beside "Q" at your keyboard. Yea i know you know where that button is, but i got a use for it. Dont hurry i ll tell you soon. I have heard (and i have written) lot of times get rid off poisons/amulets or make us a bag or belt or free that bracer etc. I have suggested get rid those dam items, but GMs said that will unbalance game. So make us a bag or belt (both are same, only name changes) with 3 slots there and with "Tab key" you can toggle items. Lets make an example cause i like them Lets say you have at your bag/belt 3 items Amulets, Poison, Gold Bracer. You have active amulets so you casting a skelie, "Tabing" poison comes on your bracer and you poisoning mob, "Tabing" shoot couple amulets and start hitting mob, "Tabing" and Gold Bracer is on to protect you from hits/zaps. "Dam skelie died :(", "Tabing" amulets on, new skelie, "Tabing" Gold Bracer on etc. That can be usefull to other classes too. Warrior attacks a WoomaWarrior and have ON a Death Gauntlet, and a FlamingWooma approaching "Tabing" and a Gold bracer is on now, "Dam spawn" he's swarmed, "Tabing" and his "special" hard glove with AC 0-3 DC 0-1 is on. Same can goes for wizzard with gold bracer/Ebony Bracelet etc. I hope to tired you and do somethink to not see my long posts again here or Kristel's or from all others that they have post here (except Archeon he's going for 5th star and posting everywhere ) I'm too old for this Edited by - Aligatoras on 09/26/2001 14:09:00
shelter New Member 97 Posts	Posted - 09/26/2001 : 14:15:45 OMG, it's a bird... it's a plane.... no it's 17 pages!!! Cool ideas Aligatoras, however resurrection should consume more MP as it's pretty powerfull. --- Ever danced with the Devil in the pale moonlight?