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Mercz Moderator USA 991 Posts	Posted - 09/18/2001 : 20:25:47 There is probably no skill as incredible as the Summonskel skill at high levels. About a week back, I decided that I needed to lvl it up to 3 once and for all. And I did. In fact, I have been meaning to make a long topic about it, but I just sorta let it pass... A summonskel lvl 3 can let a skelly go up to lvl 7. At summonskel lvl 2, only to 5. I cant stress the importance of going all the way upto 7 as soon as you can. Err...you know...I'll just make another topic about this later in Mir Chronicles, because Ive noticed lots of differences between skellies that are of the same level but with different summonskel levels. Ive been able to compare them on different Zuma mobs, and its rather interesting. EDIT: And the reason being, I think it might be helpful to Taos if they actually realise how strong skellies can become. I know a few Taos who dont bother levelling up the skill because "Its a waste of time and money and whats the big deal? If one dies, we can just summon another one anyway". But after seeing what it can do now...wow...I dont think so. reminds himself to make the topic Edited by - Mercz on 09/18/2001 20:28:49
js7 Junior Member 177 Posts	Posted - 09/18/2001 : 20:50:22 cool... page 12! Go Kris! I have posted it elsewhere, I think, but just back up these views... I saw a lvl 7 skele smacking the hell out of a 22+ warrior in a sparring contest with the tao using revelation... the skele was about 1/3 hp when the warrior nearly died. Now... that makes me DROOOOOL!!!
Darko2 Junior Member 150 Posts	Posted - 09/18/2001 : 21:01:15 Just a few things about leveling skills... I was about to level up the Blessed Armour, I didn't know what to expect. Well, you get 10 more seconds on average, and it uses double mp (8 instead of 4). That's it. But it will go up by itself, my soulshield is still lvl 0. Not worth it, IMO. Leveling summon is definitely worth it, but it costs a lot. lvl 2 to lvl 3 costs 260k+. Well, I never heal them, so I hope it will go up eventually. But it takes forever. Lvl 7 skelly kills a rat faster than it's master. So, you can look up to something. Oh, and when you hit 28, you have to sacrifice 2 skills. People usually don't use poison, that's one. And probably soulshield. What happens when you hit 33? Get rid of... err... Summon (summon skeleton, then rebind keys?). RentAHeal
Kristel Junior Member United Kingdom 498 Posts	Posted - 09/18/2001 : 21:37:54 Hmmm. 8 Shortcut keys. 10 skills at lvl 28. 13 at lvl 35. Well. Guess the Amulet poison thing is a bit of a mute point then. Without poison.... 12 skills, so we have to loose 4. Shinsu replaces Summon, after the 500K we spent getting it all the way to lvl3. Mass healing replaces healing. Does mass heal heal you too? Well, another mute point as I'll only use this one if I can buy it from the shop. I'm not paying 100K to heal loads of people in bichon wall simultaniously. I huess I could hide myself with Mass Hide. And one other. Your only long range attack gone? Your defensive abilities reduced? Which one do we sacrifice? This isn't fair.... With a wizard, I'd say that magic sheild replaces repulsion, Great fireball replaces fireball, Ice Storm is probably the high level firebang/firewall,and lightining replaces hellfire. There you go. Five skills lost, all replaced with more powerful versions. For a warrior, hardly uses any shortcut keys. Not a problem. The Tao Looses his second most offensive pet (skelly), Poison - which is not replaced, one version of hiding, one version of healing and something of your own choice. The only way I can see around this is to summon skelly, then shinsu after reassigning keys (if you can have them both, I've been told it's one or the other). If you are in a group, have one tao with Soul sheild, and the other with Blessed armour. Oh God this is just <bleep> <bleep>. ----------------------- Kristel clear! - at least, I hope I was �� ⵵ �� ʽÿ�. �츮�� ʿ�ȿ� �̾�� !
Mercz Moderator USA 991 Posts	Posted - 09/18/2001 : 21:59:08 Well, I dont want to even think about it. I need all (or almost all) of them. Im just hoping that the new update will allow us to assign our own shortcut keys.
canariesuk Junior Member United Kingdom 243 Posts	Posted - 09/18/2001 : 22:07:05 come and have a chat guys i will be found next to a gurad this week counting up to 8000 godfather
Tricky Game Master Netherlands 799 Posts	Posted - 09/18/2001 : 22:19:25 quote: Mass healing replaces healing. Does mass heal heal you too? I ran into DivAvenger when he just reached lvl33 and he used it on me. It healed a lot less then normal heal and at lvl0 used 27MP I completly agree that we need more buttons to assign skills to. I've allready thought about what skill I'll loose when i reach 28 and get Trap Hex. Right now I think it will be MassHiding, but after that I really don't know which skill I "could" dump to assign massheal to. Think I'll don't assign it at all, cause I think it's a complete useless and incredible stupid spell. I'm allready a slave, and I don't want any more "slave" spells.. /Tricky Like I said, I never repeat myself. Level Up!
Mercz Moderator USA 991 Posts	Posted - 09/18/2001 : 22:24:27 Lol! You are going to have fun I actually timed it. It takes me about 8 minutes to cast 100 skellies (Use up 1 amulet completely) and this is considering that I was buying pots at the same time while casting the spell Tips for levelling up skelly (in BW): 1. Best spot is right next to the pot person...Duh...Since there is a guard there. 2. ALWAYS buy small mp pots. Since u r close to the shop, you dont have to keep running back anyway. Small mp pots are the most economical. And by the time you are done, it would have saved you a LOT more money (50k+) than any other size (Definitely DO NOT buy the bundles) 3. Try this - (Seems to work the fastest for me) Keep the shop buying screen open so u can keep buying small mp pots quickly. Keep your 6 quickslots free. Buy about 20 amulets (4000 xp approx if u use them all) Fill up those quickslots with small mp pots. From here, its just painful, but its worth it. How I did it: Press F4 (my shorcut to summon skelly) everytime your skelly is destroyed immediately. If you are running out of mp, press any of the 1-6 keys on the keyboard to drink a pot. Remember to keep the pot buying screen open so u can keep buying pots while doing all this, to make sure your quickslots always have its full capacity. So yeah...8 minutes per amulet. Still a crapload of time...since u will need to use 40 amulets approx for 8000 xp. And level up them skellies!! Whooo! EDIT: If someone else comes near and starts summoning skellies too, it will take much longer for the guard to kill your skelly. So walk upto the other player and knock him on the head twice and tell him to find his own guard Also, Tricky, Im doing the same...Im going to remove Masshiding when I get Trap Hex. The only person who I really need to hide is my skelly, and hes usually high level in which case, he has more hp than I can ever imagine. When I reach 33, I know which skill I will avoid, Mass Healing. Its probably more beneficial to just heal people one by one. Edited by - Mercz on 09/18/2001 22:28:31
Kristel Junior Member United Kingdom 498 Posts	Posted - 09/18/2001 : 22:29:44 All you hear in Bicon wall is: cluck cluck cluck TINKLE THUMP CLATTER cluck cluck.... Because of all the Hens, and Taos leveling up thie Familiars! Are you sure Small MPs are best? I had in my head that Mediums were the ones to go for from somewhere. EDIT: Ah of course! If you use the Trap Hex well, you won't need mass hide. I always knew there was a reason I didn't bother trying to level that up, and as for S.Sheild - I feel cheated. It's ten seconds longer on average in duration now and uses twice the MP. Great. ----------------------- Kristel clear! - at least, I hope I was �� ⵵ �� ʽÿ�. �츮�� ʿ�ȿ� �̾�� ! Edited by - Kristel on 09/18/2001 22:32:54
Mercz Moderator USA 991 Posts	Posted - 09/18/2001 : 22:34:49 Actually, I just checked the prices, considering how much mp they provide, they are both almost the same, so u are right. So u can go with med mps. Wont be as annoying as small ones.
Wildcard Starting Member United Kingdom 3 Posts	Posted - 09/18/2001 : 23:02:56 Ok 1st post Have been following this thread with interest,n thought i'd add my comments:- Levelled Skelly to 3 this weekend.....In one go....Cost me 6 hrs n 300k....but DEFINATELY worth it...Once lvl'd to 7 took him into ST n put him up against boars...took on 2 reds together then a black n he only lost 1/2 his hp Grouping:- the best ive found so far is 2 Warrs n 1 Tao.Almost unstoppable.....4 hrs in bug cave Warrs used maybe 1-2 pots.I used 3 bundles...drops of sun pots are regular to top up. Soloing:- still very hard to do..well not hard just time consuming ie lure for 1on1... Skills:- most used are Skelly, Blessed armour,Hiding,Revelation n of course Heal Im mostly SC so spell duration is higher Well thats about it for my first post but will b regular from now on Congrats to Kristel for this topic longest n best in forum Wildcard lvl26 tao The 3 Heroes "Ace of Hearts"
Kristel Junior Member United Kingdom 498 Posts	Posted - 09/18/2001 : 23:06:01 quote: Actually, I just checked the prices, considering how much mp they provide, they are both almost the same, so u are right. So u can go with med mps. Wont be as annoying as small ones. Yeah - Smalls are better value, and could save a couple of K, but I guess meds are better in the long run for price/performance! 88/30 = 2.933 gold per MP point 242/80 = 3.025 gold per MP point 8000 exp for lvl3 skelly is about 4000 summons and costs 10MP + 1 Amulet. 4000(5.5 + (202.933)) = 256,667 gold 4000(5.5 + (203.025)) = 264,000 gold So you'll save a bit. I think I got the maths right this time! ----------------------- Kristel clear! - at least, I hope I was �� ⵵ �� ʽÿ�. �츮�� ʿ�ȿ� �̾�� ! Edit: It's an honour that you felt it prudent to use your first post here wildcard! Welcome aboard the Tao express! Edited by - Kristel on 09/18/2001 23:09:34 - Values corrected Edited by - Kristel on 09/18/2001 23:34:59
Darko2 Junior Member 150 Posts	Posted - 09/18/2001 : 23:14:13 Oh, man... Am I the only poor Tao around? If I had 300k, I'd be leveling that skelly, but.... I don't =) When I hit 50k I think I'm rich... I had more gold when I was lvl 9. FFS! [edit] Oh, I just saw your post, Kristel... It's 8000xp and 20 mp per summon. Heh, you need 1,000 medium pots and 40 amulets, there... RentAHeal Edited by - Darko2 on 09/18/2001 23:19:11 Edited by - Darko2 on 09/18/2001 23:21:05
Kristel Junior Member United Kingdom 498 Posts	Posted - 09/18/2001 : 23:32:41 Ah thanks - I'll edit accordingly. It's only 10MP at lvl 2 About the funds, I only have about 50K at any one time, and only get more if I make a special effort and go to easy hunting grounds! I think Wolmack is the only Rich Tao! I don't know how hedid it tho! ----------------------- Kristel clear! - at least, I hope I was �� ⵵ �� ʽÿ�. �츮�� ʿ�ȿ� �̾�� !
Asmodean Senior Member Finland 1372 Posts	Posted - 09/19/2001 : 00:04:05 I'd be rich too, if I had been PK'ing alot (sell drops). Wolmack's made himself a curse+7 Purifier... A disgrace to tao... Anyway, we won't be able to summon both skele & shinsu. It's one or the other - guess which? Although lvl0 shinsu won't be as powerful as a lvl7 skele, it's not a weakling either. It kills an amazingly powerful zombie at lvl0 and loses ~25% of it's health! I know it's sucky, but hey - it can only go up. It also runs faster than skele and hits 2 mobs like thrusting does. And the current Shinsu you've all seen, it's not final. Information courtesy of DeathDealer. Nae'Blis The Chosen
Mercz Moderator USA 991 Posts	Posted - 09/19/2001 : 00:05:38 Well, I had 400k that I was keeping for my Serpent sword, but I realised that levelling up my skelly is more important, so now Im a poor Tao too
Kristel Junior Member United Kingdom 498 Posts	Posted - 09/19/2001 : 00:44:42 You know what? I really really hope that the GMs have statistics comparing the classes. They need to know the average lvl of a class and average wealth, amongst other things. If the Mean, mode or median (or all) are roughly concurrent accross the classes then the game is balanced so far. If not.... I think you'll find Wizards are the richest class - after they tame 5 maggots and go on a rampage they make a tidy sum from it! G'night all! ----------------------- Kristel clear! - at least, I hope I was �� ⵵ �� ʽÿ�. �츮�� ʿ�ȿ� �̾�� !
canariesuk Junior Member United Kingdom 243 Posts	Posted - 09/19/2001 : 09:17:07 good point 5maggots and lvl7 skele will be class but as ive said to Kris ingame im on a 56k modem and get random dc everywhere to level my skele up to 7 will not happen too often. About shensu the GM's stated it will be near impossible to kill with out magic not like the shensu now. godfather wants cable modem
shelter New Member 80 Posts	Posted - 09/19/2001 : 10:01:59 About the shortcut keys... As you know, they don't use all available function keys at the moment. Adding those that are missing would help a bit. They could also make it possible to use insert/end/home/page up/down as shortcut keys too. If I understand everyone correctly, the skills worth leveling up are: SFB Summon Skel Hiding Blessed armor - Only increases duration? Revealation - I guess it's good with a long duration on this one. Mass Healing - Could be good when grouping, I had ZT, WT in mind... so... Might be a good idea to level it up? And not these: Soul Shield - Leveling up just adds duration and not stats Mass Hiding - Gets replaced by trap hex Poison - The shortcut key will most likely be replaced with another skill and we're too occupied using amulets so what's the point? --- Ever danced with the Devil in the pale moonlight?
ZorbaTheGeek Starting Member 23 Posts	Posted - 09/19/2001 : 13:07:53 Hmmm, I'm nearly L16 now and having just read this thread from beginning to end I'm starting to wonder if I should cut my losses now and change class. All this talk of levelling skellies is impossible for me, I run a dial up connection with a two hour kick. 40 mins to level boney? You must be mad, I would hardly make it to my hunting zone before getting logged off (that's IF I manage to stay online for the whole two hours). Sure I could change ISP, but then I would have to pay for my phone calls and couldn/t play as much anyway.. I know my character hasn't reached the difficult part of it's career yet but I really should decide what to do before I invest the time required to continue levelling my Tao. I like playing Tao, it fits my personality and outlook. I am very much a team player and enjoy nothing more than grouping up to kick a$$ and chew bubble gum (I'm all out of gum). Come on guys, you are experienced, what sould I do? ZorbaDaGEEK L15 Tao +***************************************+- Progression is measured to men from boys, By the size and complexity of their toys.
js7 Junior Member 177 Posts	Posted - 09/19/2001 : 15:24:34 ...not off topic as it does affect Taoists in particular, a note on 56k dial up... I use Demon Internet in the UK with a 56k sporster flash modem. I also shell out 40 quid per month (thanks to this company who I shud currently be working for:-)) to have permanent access through BT surftime anytime with Demon Romp numbers. In general, when there are not major lag issues, this works pretty well even if my son is playing at the same time (yep... you heard that right... 2 players sharing 56k). Major lag times, its just as bad for me as others:-( Here's a tip if you are getting the line dropping... run a DOS prompt in the background with a permanent ping, i.e. ping -t login.livewiregames.net > c:\pinglog.txt I have actually managed to stay connected for over 35 hours, in game (going for the red-eye award ) successfully using this... basically it helps prevent the line dropping I think. I also sometimes get a bit of lag when the HDD goes to sleep and then spins up again, and writing to the disk with this also helps I think... Zorba... what can I say? Being a Tao is great, as I think most will agree, but you will really struggle after level 22 or so if you wish to fight solo. If you are grouping then it is not such an issue, but if you can't change provider and you wish to solo then you will find it quite hard to level up I think. Damn... it's hard to level up anyway actually By the way... before you post telling me that I could get ADSL for 40 quid a month... I can't Kris... I'll mark your maths homework later Edited by - js7 on 09/19/2001 15:26:29
Kristel Junior Member United Kingdom 498 Posts	Posted - 09/19/2001 : 21:51:28 I just saw a miracle. My lvl 5 Skelly who I loved so much actually survived one hit by a guard! He then promptly troggled off in the guards direction to meet his fate though... ah well. ----------------------- Kristel clear! - at least, I hope I was �� ⵵ �� ʽÿ�. �츮�� ʿ�ȿ� �̾�� !
tucker New Member United Kingdom 99 Posts	Posted - 09/19/2001 : 22:26:25 kristel i had a bug once where the guard wouldn't hit my skelly and my skelly was just hacking away at the guard - was very funny but the guard woke up after about 10 hits and smashed it to pieces. Biuret lvl 23 (not happy anymore) tao - TIC Dont hate yourself in the morning - sleep till noon!!!
shelter New Member 80 Posts	Posted - 09/19/2001 : 23:02:12 quote: I just saw a miracle. My lvl 5 Skelly who I loved so much actually survived one hit by a guard! He then promptly troggled off in the guards direction to meet his fate though... ah well. ----------------------- Kristel clear! - at least, I hope I was �� ⵵ �� ʽÿ�. �츮�� ʿ�ȿ� �̾�� ! My skelly was fast enough to strike the guard before he died. Did I feel proud? oh yes... :) --- Ever danced with the Devil in the pale moonlight?
Kristel Junior Member United Kingdom 498 Posts	Posted - 09/20/2001 : 14:03:42 I think this topic will live until the Tao gets something to help in the mid life crisis! Be that a boost personally, or be it the introduction of some mobs that it is easy for the Tao to kill, but hard for the other classes. We need Soul Armour Class for that!! ----------------------- Kristel clear! - at least, I hope I was �� ⵵ �� ʽÿ�. �츮�� ʿ�ȿ� �̾�� !
canariesuk Junior Member United Kingdom 243 Posts	Posted - 09/20/2001 : 17:11:00 thanks for the help about lvling my skele up godfather
canariesuk Junior Member United Kingdom 243 Posts	Posted - 09/20/2001 : 17:58:05 i thought this would be the best place to ask coz i no all the taos that post here are cool players Mafia lacks tao's at the mo we have 3 out of 20 members sorry to side track the topic godfather mafia leader
js7 Junior Member 177 Posts	Posted - 09/20/2001 : 18:14:16 quote: i thought this would be the best place to ask coz i no all the taos that post here are cool players Mafia lacks tao's at the mo we have 3 out of 20 members sorry to side track the topic godfather mafia leader thx .... I'll take a bit of the glory for that, but reckon Kristel deserves most of the credit!! So did Hoodlum quit? I heard he was gonna.... real shame... I'm in a small group that r gonna form a small Guild one day, so I won't be joining any others, but if you see me on ure travels I'll throw ure team a heal anytime.... only 1 if ure yellow mind Jupitus Taoist 23 No Known Guild
js7 Junior Member 177 Posts	Posted - 09/20/2001 : 18:19:43 Sorry... that was off topic, so ... Come on u taoists? We wanted ideas about team formations and tactics! So far Kris has put in some useful ideas about having 1 tao poison and another using the amulet for other skills, which I think is a really good idea! How about comments on using the summon skele in groups... how many of you are getting comaplaints from your warrior friends that they can't get a hit in!!!????
Asmodean Senior Member Finland 1372 Posts	Posted - 09/20/2001 : 19:03:17 I rarely get any complaints for using skele, since I usually go in groups of 2 or 3. If I'm in a group where wiz has pets, skele has to go. Skele has a bad tendency to start fighting with the pets every once in a while... The wiz pets are more important, since they do more work than pets. That might change when I get summon3, though. That's how it goes for me, as far as skele is conserned while grouped. Nae'Blis The Chosen