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Taoist can turn undead, wizard can't. Please do some researches before implement new skills.

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This was a thought I had. Why do the Mages have all the sort of elemental / life-death balance magics? Isn't that a Tao field? I think mages should use them, but so should a Tao.
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Santa is really satan
and Devil means 'lived'
life.

I think to resolve the Amulet problem they should just give us a ring the "Amulet ring"! It would require u to be relatively high lvl but then you can discard buying amulets.

But until you reach the necessary lvl u live the hard life like we all have to and buy your amulets.

Hiding SHOULD be called Stealth. It makes us sound weak...we need to hide cause we can't fight.

Poison and Amulet should be made cheaper or more convenient in holding without swapping.

More DC and SC or more effective attack damage, better offensive spells and enough with the first aid spells.

But no Amulet Ring cause the Ring slot is more valuable to us then a bracelet...although we need that too.

Mass Healing and Mass Hiding do not benifit us...just Wizard and Warrior. Why not give us offensive spells and only allow Taoists to heal Taoists? I mean its not like we are the only ones with Heal and Hide since the wizards and warriors can do the same???

Isn't this like giving the wizards a lightning bolt that gives Taoists exp? Or a Slaying move for the warrior which enables us to gain xp too?? Silly ideas but relavent to what the GM's have done.

Seifer

WTF is with you taoist. Durr, i know a new skill, throw powder and run away! Use Fast Run magic and run away! Throw poision on their eyes to run away! Fart so the monster behind you will run away!, Run away! Live with the skills you have.

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We either attack, defend or retreat!?!?

So...we have neither? Low hp....low dc/sc damage...and we can't move when we 'Hide'.

So...basically we are cannon fodder without another class.
Fantastic character design...i have never seen such a poorly created and flawed character in any RPG. If it isn't changed by Beta end then LoM will definately be remmembered for its flaws.
I have played pretty much all of the RPG's, online and offline...i know Beta is a time to improve and change. The first update didn't successfully balance the classes and i believe the GM's have had adequate test data from all of us in EMail and Forums.
There is no excuse now.

Seifer

Just restore the old skelly, class will be well balanced

expect one like this from me verry soon ;)

I like alot of the ideas in this thread. I think what Taos want is the ability to solo at the same level as warriors and wizards. As it is now, we cant. Whatever the gms or whoever decides, please even out the classes.

Yes the tao is a "neccesity" in any group -- but two wizards work great in a group, no need for a tao. Warriors since the update only use taos so they don't have to use an hp pots.

I went with a group of two warriors to wooma. After a while of gameplay I asked them how many pots they had used 2-5. At this point I had consumed 20 pots (some from pickups), also gone through 3 packs of amulets. Before any wizs start flaming this I realize you go through MP pots quickly, but when grouped with wizs I suggest they use GFB to save on MP. GFB is fine when grouped, lets everyone feel useful :)

So not only are we neccessary for groups, we are also neccessary for the booming economy in pots when we group.

Just make us able to solo -- all I ask.

-Salina-
salt-n-peppa (me & my crappy skelly)

Resurection -

A tao could use this skill to resurect mobs that he/she have killed (cannot raise others unless mob killed by group member) a resurected mob would be like an e-shocked mob that lasts for roughly 10 min and lengthens with lvl of spell. Once the spell ends or the mob is killed it dissapears to prevent tao resurecting it over and over again.

This could also be used on other players and themselves. When a tao with resurection dies, providing they have enough MP when they die they will be automaticly resurected with 1/2 their HP. Resurecting another player would be MP costly (but considering that the player is dead u could take a dropped item as payment )

This spell could also be used on the taos skelly unlimited amounts of time and it would retain its exp when resurected.

Hope this is good enough for u taos ( i myself play a warrior and wiz (got board of wiz, 2 easy) and i would like to see a bow for the warrior ... cheap plug

I LOVE the resurect idea. If the Summon Skelly is the first stage of Resurection, why not give us the other stage too :) ?

Maybe at lvl 21 ish.

Yesterday I ventured into the Wooma temple with a Warrior I always group with. We were able to kill all of the various types of woomas on the floor, however every time we turned the corner - there were the wizard groups pounding woomas into the ground with thunder at least 5 times faster than we could manage with even a high DC. The fact remains that there is a fundemental bug which allows wizards to 90% of the time avoid the slow moving mobs in MIR and deal out heavy damage before the mob can even get near him/her. Seems to me the only setback they have is that they have to be bothered with teleporting back to town every 15-20 minutes to restock on manas.

Warriors also have very little trouble taking and recieving damage by the time they reach their mid 20's. They don't even need to run from the mobs like the wizards always do - They charge at them and hack them to peices. With that said, the only reason the warrior lets me group with him is because I am a lot cheaper than the HP potions he would likely need in order to solo.

So since the Wizard and Warrior are doing fine on their own - We the Taoist only mean a price tag to them. How much they can save by letting us tag along sucking up their precious experience. I assure you that, unless we are saving them money with our heals and our protection spells - we are utterly useless to them, and will be cast off like some kind of used appliance.

As much as we are essential for large groups, 90% of the time Taoists are only used as money savers or not used at all.

That alone forces us to solo - so all we ask to be able to do it. We want to be able to fight better on our own, and any improvement would be much better for us. We don't mind waiting to make a kill - we are not in a rush like the wizards are. In fact we have been waiting a long time indeed. We are used to waiting - And so, we wait.

I still have full confidence in the staff to achieve balance with the classes. They were successful with both the Wizards and Warriors since both classes are able to grow quite well without struggling. However, Taoists do struggle a lot. We endure the same challenges as the other two classes - but we have so little power to use in the face of these challenges. And our sole purpose for serving the other classes becomes redundant when personal desire interferes. Thus often the Taoist is only seen as an economical class - Not a valid enhancement to a party. They become more of a slave than a helper, for they lack the necessary power to venture on their own. Therefore they *must* obey the wishes of the group - to make things more economical for them - in order for the Taoists to continue growing. With that, our own dependancy on the other classes has caused us to struggle. The only solution is to give us the means to solo similar to the other two classes; or make Taoists more desireable in groups - not only for economical purposes.

Thank you for your time and consideration.

I'll like to point out a certain thing, Tao’s don't over look ur hiding, it's the thing that set you apart in Kings room, at lvl 25+ with Purify (good weapon) and you have the right equip, the only thing you need to restock is candle =)

I could much see the balance of this game is affected by the skills & items each class gain at various lvl and the place they need to use it to hunt.

For Wizard is Tbolt and lvl3 tame at bug cave and stone tomb, the only two place wizards could obtain the true meat shield=).

Tao skeleton and hiding, from 1-25 if they hunt at the right place, it's hard to outlast them in any place, so I see no reason for Tao under lvl 25 to complain, skeleton at lvl 19 is tremendous help, the only complain would be the higher up players that truly had a legitimate case, which as they need to hunt in tougher places, but their dmg output is not getting better.

Warrior boring boring, but after lvl 25 before patch and lvl 22 after patch the items they could have access to makes them that much stronger and half-moon is a class defining skill by far.

Thats a damn fine idea.
I can't believe i never thought of it

Ressurection will balance the Taoist in solo situations.
More efficient then E Shock but less powerful then a potential Summon later on in the game.
Its brilliant....the Taoist still would not have the advantage but it will surely allow solo's do run more smoothly in high lv areas.

It should come before Shinsu but after Mass Healing...in fact the sooner the better as a balance is needed now rather then later.

Now its up to the GM's to post their view on the matter.

My suggestion is that it shouldn't be able to ressurect more then 4 and cannot work on the mobs that were dead to start with i.e. Zombies.

So if GM's are reading this....implement for Gods sake.

Seifer

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