Here we are playing a game that is essentially all about community, and helping each other out.

Can we at least agree on that point before I continue? if not I wouldnt even bother reading the rest.

There has been alot of publicity recently about "sense of cummunity" in MIR, alot of publicity about PKing "noobs". I personally thing one of the things that is causing the rift is the guilds on MIR, and before you start to think "ahh its a moan thread about the amount of guilds" it isnt (that point is covered later).

Why are the major guilds in MIR so elitest, i.e. you can only join if you are lvl 30+, lvl 25+ etc - there are a hell of alot of people that want to be part of a guild that cant simply because of the elitest nature of the current major guilds.

There are hundreds of posts on this forums that say "I help noobs", "I dont pk noobs" blah blah blah, how many of these people are part of a guild that would actually allow that same "noob" to join them, isnt that double standards??

It seems hipocrytical of the guild leaders and members, nobody started this game at lvl 25 everybody was once lvl 1, everybody had to ask where the Bug Cave was, everybody has asked at some point what is the best item for them to wear, everybody has asked questions, so why do you consider the lower levels to be second class citizens??

People have been moaning recently about the fact that their are too many guilds, well what I have described above is IMHO one of the major causes of this, becuase if you get turned down but still want the advanatges of being in a guild then you have to form your own, and if that means stealing a WT horn then fair enough.

So what I say is Guilds open yourselves up to the lower levels, these people will one day be "a high level" these people might one day save your a$$ from a Super Guardian whilst on a raid, these people may actually proove beneficial to the guild. All you lvl 30 super rich guild leaders would it really put a big hole in your pocket to buy a Platin Necklace for a low lvl Wizard??

At the end of the day, you know this makes sense, unless you want to stay in your small elitest world and ultimatly loose out.

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And before anybody says it, I dont have a chip on my shoulder cause I got turned down for a guild. I am perfectly happy where I am

MagicSi lvl 22 wizard
*BBz*

Dragon Server-Bhelliom-Wiz-lvl30(just tired)
Pheonix Server-DragonReborn-War-lvl18

im a guild leader myself, and know what your saying. i have let lower lvs in before but nobody wants to be in a guild thats full of people complaining about lack of gold or asking for help lving up. ppl want guilds that will help them when they need, not force them to help others. i have let lower lvs in before, and i do my best to level them up personally. i usually dont like letting ppls 2nd chars in nomatter what theyre level.

bascially nobody wants to be in a guild if they wont benefit, and everybody is in it for themselves these days (i know its sad). i personally want to be able to be fighting for sabuk one day, but iv gotta strike a fine balance between being a n00b guild, or being a stronger guild that lets newer players in. i like the atmosphere of a good guild, thats most important, so im happy for more recruits

hope that made sense, good luk to u

Disley - lv 24 wiz {Eternal Guildleader}
morad - lv12 tao
Disley - lv16 war {Phoenix}

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shes alot higher then you magicsi

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haven't used this since the great spammer revolt of 1952

MagicSi lvl 22 wizard
*BBz*

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What lvl are you mampang?

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There are very good guilds in mir which specifically join low levels, help them level up and then they stay with them. Some people find that enjoyable.

Some guilds are level 25+, some even higher, these are elitest guilds making groups of high level tough players capable of holding their group and gaining satisfaction through power.

Other guilds are groups of friends, friends only, no outsiders, generally up for having a laugh, not so bothered about level or items or status as the elitest guilds.

Its been said a million times, some people wont be happy unless their guild owns sabuk, kills ZT regulary and everyone lives in fear of being on their KOS. Others dont have a KOS, play for a laugh and are happy to be mid-levels having fun struggling enjoying the challenge.

Theres far more examples of what people look for in a guild than this, but its just an illustration.

Noobs do tend to get themselves in trouble and be hard to protect as they do need it. TIC allow peoples 2nd chars to join, kinda useful for keeping in touch with the guild while levelling.

It also doesnt take long to level up high enough to get into a guild.

*flame* *flame* *flame* *flame* *flame* *flame* *flame* *flame*

Oh and about low lvls going on a raid well we had a lvl 6 in zt and he lasted longer than my wiz.

Now if the person im with doesnt listen, simple i do not hunt with them, but As i have proved many times with my friends "Mampang", Das, Excaliblur, Mithral who i have helped lvl from day 1, the n00bness of the person is not just there ingame lvl but there overall attitude and i think that counts a lot more than just there lvl.

If I have said or done anything to offend you, then you probably deserved it...

For example when Robbert and Thalassean were stuck on 7f zuma without a DE some of us launched rescue missions which were great fun.
We ended up storming through the maze with 3 ppl just to discover they had gotten DE's from some other guild there :D

It was completely pointless but fun anyway.. These are the things that make mir great : the ppl!
not the items, not the lvls, this is what some ppl seem to forget sometimes.

We don't accept new members unless they are really close friends of the current members or someones n00b character (Robberrt for instance, the n00b :D ).

Most ppl I meet are nice and everybody says "thx" or "ta" when I come along and BA all the warriors in BC :D

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